What is the future of the Republican Party?

BigRedBuster said:
There will always be that 25-30% of the population that will follow what either party does blindly no matter what.  I think it's pretty telling that the people who claim to be Republican is down to 25%.  LINK  Once you get that low, it's almost impossible to draw more people away unless a viable liberal or conservative party rises from the ashes to compete.  And, we all know that's not going to happen unless things structurally change in our elections and political environment.  This poll goes back to 2004 and people who claim to be Republican is at an almost all time low.

Still like seeing the Independents being the largest group.
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I really think that the country has never been more ripe for a 3rd Centrist party to emerge. Call it the Independence Party to play on how many people consider themselves to be Independents. Use the Independent voter registrations to build a base of support nationwide. Select viable middle of the road candidates to run. My opinion? At this point, you'd have 30-40 percent of the electorate in the party within 2 election cycles, or at minimum pull both parties back to the middle to shut out a viable third party. I think in the past third parties have failed because they have been generally way left, or way right of mainstream. This would be different as it would give the mainstream a place to escape the two parties that have moved way left, and way right. 

 
Born N Bled Red said:
I really think that the country has never been more ripe for a 3rd Centrist party to emerge. Call it the Independence Party to play on how many people consider themselves to be Independents. Use the Independent voter registrations to build a base of support nationwide. Select viable middle of the road candidates to run. My opinion? At this point, you'd have 30-40 percent of the electorate in the party within 2 election cycles, or at minimum pull both parties back to the middle to shut out a viable third party. I think in the past third parties have failed because they have been generally way left, or way right of mainstream. This would be different as it would give the mainstream a place to escape the two parties that have moved way left, and way right. 
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Which party has moved way left?

 
Moiraine said:
Which party has moved way left?
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Ok, you got me, I'll put it this way- the Republican party as a whole has moved to the extreme right. The Democratic Party in safe Democratic states has moved to the left, but the party as a whole has not moved as far left as the Republicans have moved right, the democrats have been tethered somewhat to the center due to the need to compete in more rural states. 

 




It's already illegal to do this. It's in Title VI. This is just Cruz trying to make it a death penalty instead of whatever the repercussions are now. I assume an enormous fine and extra monitoring for a long time.

 
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Born N Bled Red said:
Ok, you got me, I'll put it this way- the Republican party as a whole has moved to the extreme right. The Democratic Party in safe Democratic states has moved to the left, but the party as a whole has not moved as far left as the Republicans have moved right, the democrats have been tethered somewhat to the center due to the need to compete in more rural states. 
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Ya, I just wanted to point out the DNC has not moved far left. It's not as though we need some middle party for 2 parties of equal s#!ttiness. Most of the s#!ttiness is coming from the GOP side. The DNC s#!ttiness is their usual s#!ttiness. The GOP s#!ttiness will actually threaten  democracy if it continues and they gain more control. They're ok to just outright lie to the population now. When Clinton lost something like 12% of Democrats believed the election was not legitimate. 55% of Republicans think the 2020 election was not legitimate. That is because of the lying.

Anyhow, most people in the U.S. don't even know what far left is, as evidenced by the laugh reaction I got to my question. Even Sanders is not far left and he isn't getting laws passed. Universal healthcare is not a far left concept.

 
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Moiraine said:
Ya, I just wanted to point out the DNC has not moved far left. It's not as though we need some middle party for 2 parties of equal s#!ttiness. Most of the s#!ttiness is coming from the GOP side. The DNC s#!ttiness is their usual s#!ttiness. The GOP s#!ttiness will actually threaten  democracy if it continues and they gain more control. They're ok to just outright lie to the population now. When Clinton lost something like 12% of Democrats believed the election was not legitimate. 55% of Republicans think the 2020 election was not legitimate. That is because of the lying.

Anyhow, most people in the U.S. don't even know what far left is, as evidenced by the laugh reaction I got to my question. Even Sanders is not far left and he isn't getting laws passed. Universal healthcare is not a far left concept.
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Ya, the problem is though, most of the independents distrust the Democrats just as much as the Republicans. So. with 30% of all voters registered as Independents, if there was and a viable centrist 3rd party for people who think their own party has gone too far to the extreme to escape to, combined it could be a powerful force to hold both parties in check. A viable third party would force other changes as well, such as, ranked choice voting and open primaries. Ultimately, my point though is that this is the first time in my lifetime anyway, that I could see a middle of the road party become a viable third option. 

 
Moiraine said:
Ya, I just wanted to point out the DNC has not moved far left. It's not as though we need some middle party for 2 parties of equal s#!ttiness. Most of the s#!ttiness is coming from the GOP side. The DNC s#!ttiness is their usual s#!ttiness. The GOP s#!ttiness will actually threaten  democracy if it continues and they gain more control. They're ok to just outright lie to the population now. When Clinton lost something like 12% of Democrats believed the election was not legitimate. 55% of Republicans think the 2020 election was not legitimate. That is because of the lying.

Anyhow, most people in the U.S. don't even know what far left is, as evidenced by the laugh reaction I got to my question. Even Sanders is not far left and he isn't getting laws passed. Universal healthcare is not a far left concept.
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Yes Sanders is far left.  It’s not even under debate 

 
Born N Bled Red said:
Ya, the problem is though, most of the independents distrust the Democrats just as much as the Republicans. So. with 30% of all voters registered as Independents, if there was and a viable centrist 3rd party for people who think their own party has gone too far to the extreme to escape to, combined it could be a powerful force to hold both parties in check. A viable third party would force other changes as well, such as, ranked choice voting and open primaries. Ultimately, my point though is that this is the first time in my lifetime anyway, that I could see a middle of the road party become a viable third option. 
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Could be possibility with the right dynamic candidate. 

 
Archy1221 said:
Well...the Democrat love fest didn’t last too long.  Hope everyone makes it through this tough time ok.  
 

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/liz-cheney-voter-suppression-big-election-lie-150335429.html
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Given that than every single poster fully acknowledged Cheney's voting history, this comes as a surprise to no one.

Also, Liz is correct. No surprise there, either. State Republicans have been doing the gerrymandering and voter suppression on their own for a few years now, and are even changing the laws to allow Republican run state legislatures to over-ride election results they don't like.  I don't recall anything thinking this was orchestrated by Trump, although he may have served as the inspiration. 

You must be so proud. 

Wait. We're you trying to gaslight us with this link?

 
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Moiraine said:
Ya, I just wanted to point out the DNC has not moved far left. I
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DNC hasn't.  You're right.  But, there is a faction of the Democrats that have.  They haven't taken over the majority of the party though.  It's like there has always been a part of the Republican party that was aligned with the Trump thought process but they weren't the majority.  Then, that exploded and here we are.

 
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