What's the biggest reason for Blacks not advancing

LukeinNE said:
tschu said:
the reaction by the protestors is one charged by racial tension, due to the still-oppressed state of blacks in this nation. That. Is a fact.
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I think you need to define what you mean by "state of oppression."

Merriam-Webster:

Definition of OPPRESSION
1
a : unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power
b : something that oppresses especially in being an unjust or excessive exercise of power
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This conjures up images of apartheid South Africa and Iraq. The United States is not those places, so you need to be more specific in your language.

Edit- I should clarify: clearly acts of oppression happen in the US. That is not the same as a "state of oppression."
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Also definitions I found:


  • the state of being subject to unjust treatment or control.
synonyms: persecution, abuse, maltreatment, ill-treatment, tyranny, despotism, repression, suppression, subjection, subjugation; More
cruelty, brutality, injustice, hardship, suffering, misery
"the young people in this country have known nothing but oppression"

antonyms: freedom, democracy


  • mental pressure or distress.

Sound familiar?
Regardless, I'd be more than happy to use other words if it makes you feel better, there are plenty of words out there to use.

 
tschu said:
Haha, just ran across this

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Ah yes protesting a tax on tea by pouring tea into the ocean is the same as burning unrelated businesses to the ground and looting when the police commit an injustice. You win liberals.
 
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strigori said:
Here are some numbers that would add credence to 'oppression'

  • African Americans now constitute nearly 1 million of the total 2.3 million incarcerated population
  • African Americans are incarcerated at nearly six times the rate of whites
  • Together, African American and Hispanics comprised 58% of all prisoners in 2008, even though African Americans and Hispanics make up approximately one quarter of the US population
  • According to Unlocking America, if African American and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates of whites, today's prison and jail populations would decline by approximately 50%
  • One in six black men had been incarcerated as of 2001. If current trends continue, one in three black males born today can expect to spend time in prison during his lifetime
  • 1 in 100 African American women are in prison
  • Nationwide, African-Americans represent 26% of juvenile arrests, 44% of youth who are detained, 46% of the youth who are judicially waived to criminal court, and 58% of the youth admitted to state prisons (Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice).
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http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet
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Standing alone, all of those statistics have about as much credibility as claiming the justice system is sexist because men are incarcerated at 10 times the rate of women. A significant reason minorities (and men) are jailed at disproportionately high rates is that they commit a disproportionately high percentage of the crimes in this country.

That being said, half of black men and forty percent of white men are arrested by the time they're 23. That's largely a product of the drug war, which is a bad policy that does need to be abandoned.



Sound familiar?
Regardless, I'd be more than happy to use other words if it makes you feel better, there are plenty of words out there to use.
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How I feel about it doesn't really matter. You spend a lot of time throwing around loaded words like "oppression" and I'd like to know what you really mean by that. To put it in your perspective, it'd be like me constantly saying "Obama is a socialist" while not doing anything to substantiate my claim aside from posting a few of his more radical soundbites and stating "the facts on this are clear."

 
http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1870408,00.html

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/between-the-lines/201204/studies-unconscious-bias-racism-not-always-racists

https://www.dosomething.org/facts/11-facts-about-racial-discrimination

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/7/5978551/study-racism-criminal-justice-stop-and-frisk-reform-support

http://www.vox.com/2014/4/30/5665778/americas-real-racism-problem-doesnt-look-like-donald-sterling

But similar conclusions pop up in a staggering range of scenarios. A study last summer showed that doctors are stingier when handing out painkillers to black patients than to white ones. Indeed, doctors appear to make racially biased treatment decisions in a range of areas. And it's not just doctors. In a 2007 study, psychologists had people play a kind of video game where armed and unarmed subjects pop up against a variety of backgrounds and the player has to decide whether or not to shoot. In the simulation, people were more likely to mistakenly shoot a black person than a white one. In a famous 2003 paper, Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan sent out otherwise identical resumes under both stereotypically "white" and stereotypically "black" names. The white names were 50 percent more likely to be called back. Justin Wolfers and Joseph Price found that white referees are more likely to call fouls on black players in the National Basketball Association.

Everywhere you look, this kind of biased decision-making seems to be in evidence.
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http://www.sagepub.com/upm-data/46946_CH_3.pdf

http://wrap.warwick.ac.uk/1170/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3140753/

on and on and on and on and on

 
MEANWHILE IN FERGUSON

(This is a post not about racial issues but about police militarization)

Cops are arresting/detaining media, taking their media badges etc. Police in full camo uniform complete with flak jacket, assaultl rifles, and heavily armored vehicles are shooting rubber bullets. Tasering/ tear-gassing unarmed people. Effectively a police-militarized state right now. At some point there has to be federal intervention right? This Ferguson police squad is just unreal. Some of these scenes are totally ridiculous - police should not have this type of gear or this type of presence pretty much ever. But here we are. CITIZEN SOLDIERS.

 
The treatment of reporters in all of this is astonishing.

Not only is it simply against the freedom of the press, it is politically absolutely friggen stupid. I am to the point of believing the people in charge there are complete bumbling idiots with power.

If I were in any position of political power there right now I would be so pissed off and letting everyone know my feelings.

Heck, I'm not even there and I'm pissed.

Reporters Arrested At McDonalds

Do these people not have a friggen clue what they are doing?

 
Conga3 said:
Omaha-Husker said:
Astonishing overreach of power.
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All I know is that if there were "protests" in my town that included burning down buildings, looting, Molotov cocktails and the like... I would welcome the tear gas and riot police presence and their actions to quell the violence and not think twice that it was an "overreach of power".
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Protests last night were peaceful though. No rioting, looting, burning. I believe the extent of the violence was a single molotov cocktail.

I agree with BigRedBuster. It's infuriating what happened yesterday - I think there are 3-4 reporters who were arrested for no reason and several more who were tear-gassed. Amid the chaos and chaotic reports it's hard to keep track

 
strigori said:
Here are some numbers that would add credence to 'oppression'

  • African Americans now constitute nearly 1 million of the total 2.3 million incarcerated population
  • African Americans are incarcerated at nearly six times the rate of whites
  • Together, African American and Hispanics comprised 58% of all prisoners in 2008, even though African Americans and Hispanics make up approximately one quarter of the US population
  • According to Unlocking America, if African American and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates of whites, today's prison and jail populations would decline by approximately 50%
  • One in six black men had been incarcerated as of 2001. If current trends continue, one in three black males born today can expect to spend time in prison during his lifetime
  • 1 in 100 African American women are in prison
  • Nationwide, African-Americans represent 26% of juvenile arrests, 44% of youth who are detained, 46% of the youth who are judicially waived to criminal court, and 58% of the youth admitted to state prisons (Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice).
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http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet
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Such bullsh#t.

 
The stupid thing is, if these people are justified in how they are handling things, they need to be USING the media to tell their side of the story. Arresting reporters who made a purchase in McDonalds and then sat down to write a report or lobbing tear gas towards TV cameras filming a report is beyond comprehension.

There needs to be some behind closed doors meetings this morning with some higher ups telling them to pull their heads out of their asses.

 
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