What's the biggest reason for Blacks not advancing
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EbylHusker
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You missed one of the major contributing factors. Court decisions in the past have given officers a relatively wide lattitude in justifying the use of deadly force. So in fact, it is not insanely easy to indict an officer for use of deadly force. I'm not making any judgements on those court rulings or their applications today with this post, but facts are facts. And those court cases are a big, big reason that officers are rarely indicted on the use of deadly force.
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EbylHusker
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You're absolutely right that some bias creeps in. However, even without that bias, officers have a lot of backing from the law when justifying deadly force. People disagree on how right or wrong that is, which isn't my point here. There are plenty of arguments for and against it. But that, combined with the stuff you posted, is a pretty potent mix.
NUpolo8
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He and Gloria Allred are funny that way.
He's never improved a situation he's inserted himself in. And he's responsible for one of the worst shows on television (although the 5 on Fox News gives it a hell of a run and sometimes beats it)
Landlord
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Thanks for wording the perspective eloquently.
This last part is the least contestable bit of your entire post, but it's the part that we (meaning white people) generally refuse to talk about or acknowledge at all, instead focusing on "well maybe the kid was a gangbanger", and "well the idiots shouldn't riot in response that doesn't help" and "social media is what's making all of this so bad" and whatever other deflection you want to list.
Not that any of these are mutually exclusive but the reality that there are as many white people as there are that don't recognize their privilege and the lack of privilege afforded to PoC and don't have at least a marginal amount of understanding and empathy in situations like this is unconscionable and tragic.
"White privilege is me being outraged and angered by the #FergusonDecision rather than utterly terrified."
Junior
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alexhortdog95
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Another reason why we can't get ahead?
8. Lack of role models with high integrity.
8. Lack of role models with high integrity.
I rest my case on #8.Adrian PetersonVerified account@AdrianPeterson
The GRAND JURY DECIDED NOT TO INDICT ME TOO! But that changed a week LATER! MAYBE,BUT NOT LIKELY N THIS CASE #PUTyourTrustNGODnotINtheWORLD!
EbylHusker
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I do not have any empathy or sympathy for people that riot in response to a GJ decision that, by all sane reasoning, appears to be appropriate and just. Not only that, there are many people looting and burning their own community. Of course, the people rioting are not intersested in facts or whether the justice system worked in this case. f#*k them. As far as I'm concerned, they can be arrested and tear gassed every night for the next week if they so choose.
Notice I said rioters, not protestors.
Notice I said rioters, not protestors.
BIGREDIOWAN
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Darren Wilson was not Every Officer any more than Michael Brown was Every Black Teenager. The ghost of all of history may hover over every "they", but when two men make individual decisions, the judgment must be framed by those individual moments.
The law is quite settled on these matters. If activists want to change the law, that is another debate, but the law as it stands is clear, should anyone care to look:
"The "reasonableness" of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight. The calculus of reasonableness must embody allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments - in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving - about the amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation." [Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386 (1989)]
Popular opinion fails in precisely the way that the lawmakers predicted when courts and juries and the calm, rational systems of jurisprudence were designed. The law does not have a chip on its shoulder because a cousin was treated badly by the police. Jurors must not make any correlation between some SWAT team's error somewhere and Wilson's trigger. Those who really want justice wait for truth to be distilled from the chaos of public opinion.
They are few.
Article insert from PoliceOne.com.
The law is quite settled on these matters. If activists want to change the law, that is another debate, but the law as it stands is clear, should anyone care to look:
"The "reasonableness" of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight. The calculus of reasonableness must embody allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments - in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving - about the amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation." [Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386 (1989)]
Popular opinion fails in precisely the way that the lawmakers predicted when courts and juries and the calm, rational systems of jurisprudence were designed. The law does not have a chip on its shoulder because a cousin was treated badly by the police. Jurors must not make any correlation between some SWAT team's error somewhere and Wilson's trigger. Those who really want justice wait for truth to be distilled from the chaos of public opinion.
They are few.
Article insert from PoliceOne.com.
TGHusker
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We have a African American talk show host here in Tulsa. He often will mention all of the above and then add this thought. He said most African American homes prior to the 1960s were 'whole homes' - marriages in tack, mother and father raising the kids, etc. He feels the break down of the family unit is the primary driver of the issues we face today. He would also say that the so call "War on Poverty" and the welfare state are the primary reasons the family unit in the inner cities and poor areas have suffered. He's not talking about doing away wt govt aid when needed but taking away the incentive to work that too many programs foster. The role of the father is diminished and the father's influence in the home goes missing. Thus we end up with generational poverty - one generation following the other. I haven't verified that his opinion is true that most AA homes were 'whole homes' prior to the 1960s but his 'thesis' coming from an AA perspective is interesting.
Related to the above list, I do think the Sharpton types fan the flames all too quickly before the facts are known.
Landlord
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Another honest question, given the pictures of officer Wilson's face the day after, and the undisputed reality of Michael Brown being unarmed, and Darrin Wilson's own testimony to the grand jury that Brown didn't go for his gun in the holster but went for it after it was pulled out and being aimed at him, and whatever other facts or speculation you know about the situation,
do you think that 6 shots, including 2 to the head, is reasonable force?
BIGREDIOWAN
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He assaulted the officer on some level, a weapon was discharged, Wilson has to affect an arrest at the point where he was assaulted. If Brown listens to the verbal commands to get down this situation doesn't even make the news. It is very possible during a critical incident debrief to get confused on how many shots were fired, what the distance was, small details, etc. This has been proven over and over and over again through past incidents. The entire incident took 90 seconds, you can definitely cover 150 feet if you are a 300 lb 18 year old. But by all means let's question the officers response instead of Brown's lack there of.............
