What's the biggest reason for Blacks not advancing

[LukeinNE]

"A 400-pound asthmatic Staten Island dad died Thursday after a cop put him in a chokehold and other officers appeared to slam his head against the sidewalk, video of the incident shows."

DA is considering charges...

"A highway patrol officer was filmed punching a woman on the side of a Los Angeles freeway last week in what appears to be the latest incident of police brutality in the area."

Internal investigation and lawsuits under way....

"Police shoot, kill unarmed black man seeking assistance after ‘serious’ car accident"

The cop in question has been indicted for the killing.

"George Zimmerman found not guilty"

Anyone paying attention to the substance of the case, not the politics, knows the jury came to the correct legal conclusion. Nobody knows what happened at the crucial moments of that incident, and that's reasonable doubt.

"The death of a young black man who was shot in the head while handcuffed in the back of a police car has caused uproar among the black community in Arkansas, a US state with deep racial faultlines."

Ruled a suicide by the medical examiner. The cops did nothing legally wrong, they were just too incompetent to pat him down adequately.

"Judge Shira Scheindlin of Federal District Court in New York upheld the bedrock principle of individual liberty on Monday when she ruled that the tactics underlying New York City’s stop-and-frisk program violated the constitutional rights of minority citizens. She found that the city had been “deliberately indifferent” to police officers illegally detaining and frisking minority residents on the streets over many years."

Wouldn't the elimination of a prejudicial enforcement tactic be the kind of progress you're claiming to be absent?

I'm not claiming there's no cases where blacks have suffered miscarriages of justice because of skin color/socioeconomic status. My point in going through these is that not only is it not a good idea to build a case on anecdotes, a lot of those anecdotes aren't even cases where "the system" protects whites at the expense of blacks. Rather than open the eyes of the rest of America, doing this sort of thing is just reinforcing the idea of victimhood among blacks, which makes everything else worse.

 

[BigRedBuster]

St. Paul...

I wish I could find it but somewhere I read an article with a bunch of facts on racial statistics. It may have been a link from a thread on here or somewhere on Vox.

Anyway, one of the facts that it pointed out was a map of how a city and a dot was placed everywhere a SWAT team was deployed. They were using this map as proof of racism because there were more deployments in black neighborhoods than white neighborhoods.

OK....I'll acknowledge that there is some racism in the system. However, just looking at this fact, as an example, don't you need to dive deeper into the facts to decide if it really is because of racism? Meaning, are there more drug/crack houses in black neighborhoods than white neighborhoods....etc???

It just seems to me that because there is some racism in the system, some people seem to feel any criticism of the black community is piling on the racism.

As for this instance, I will continue to hold judgement on the incident until further facts are known.

 

[LukeinNE]

Sioux City, Iowa? If so you're almost certainly screwed. Just say it's civil and poof.

Yes, unfortunately. I'm sure it's a doomed fight, but I'll feel better about it if they spend more fighting me than they'll get out of the fine in the end. Hate those cameras.

 

[carlfense]

St. Paul...

I wish I could find it but somewhere I read an article with a bunch of facts on racial statistics. It may have been a link from a thread on here or somewhere on Vox.

Anyway, one of the facts that it pointed out was a map of how a city and a dot was placed everywhere a SWAT team was deployed. They were using this map as proof of racism because there were more deployments in black neighborhoods than white neighborhoods.

OK....I'll acknowledge that there is some racism in the system. However, just looking at this fact, as an example, don't you need to dive deeper into the facts to decide if it really is because of racism? Meaning, are there more drug/crack houses in black neighborhoods than white neighborhoods....etc???

It just seems to me that because there is some racism in the system, some people seem to feel any criticism of the black community is piling on the racism.

As for this instance, I will continue to hold judgement on the incident until further facts are known.

Check out marijuana conviction arrest rates compared to marijuana usage rates in black and white America.

 

[BigRedBuster]

St. Paul...

I wish I could find it but somewhere I read an article with a bunch of facts on racial statistics. It may have been a link from a thread on here or somewhere on Vox.

Anyway, one of the facts that it pointed out was a map of how a city and a dot was placed everywhere a SWAT team was deployed. They were using this map as proof of racism because there were more deployments in black neighborhoods than white neighborhoods.

OK....I'll acknowledge that there is some racism in the system. However, just looking at this fact, as an example, don't you need to dive deeper into the facts to decide if it really is because of racism? Meaning, are there more drug/crack houses in black neighborhoods than white neighborhoods....etc???

It just seems to me that because there is some racism in the system, some people seem to feel any criticism of the black community is piling on the racism.

As for this instance, I will continue to hold judgement on the incident until further facts are known.

Check out marijuana conviction rates compared to marijuana usage rates in black and white America.

I understand that and that was (I think) one of the facts in the article I read (Dang, I wish I could find it). My point is, it seems like when something like this comes up, there is always some people who just pile on the statistics without actually looking deeper at them to see if that statistic is justified.

Some stats are factual on the face and some aren't.

 

[StPaulHusker]

St. Paul...

I wish I could find it but somewhere I read an article with a bunch of facts on racial statistics. It may have been a link from a thread on here or somewhere on Vox.

Anyway, one of the facts that it pointed out was a map of how a city and a dot was placed everywhere a SWAT team was deployed. They were using this map as proof of racism because there were more deployments in black neighborhoods than white neighborhoods.

OK....I'll acknowledge that there is some racism in the system. However, just looking at this fact, as an example, don't you need to dive deeper into the facts to decide if it really is because of racism? Meaning, are there more drug/crack houses in black neighborhoods than white neighborhoods....etc???

It just seems to me that because there is some racism in the system, some people seem to feel any criticism of the black community is piling on the racism.

As for this instance, I will continue to hold judgement on the incident until further facts are known.

I get what you are saying. With regards to this incident, I have no dog in the hunt at this time. But what I can't stand is people trying to justify a crime with another crime. It is a bullsh#t cop out and if they were the victim, they wouldn't think it was justified.

Now with the question that I proposed it just seemed to me that if you know where crime is being committed, that's where you are going to target, charge, and get convictions. I have no background to my theory but it seems logical that you go fishing where the fish are biting.

 

[StPaulHusker]

St. Paul...

I wish I could find it but somewhere I read an article with a bunch of facts on racial statistics. It may have been a link from a thread on here or somewhere on Vox.

Anyway, one of the facts that it pointed out was a map of how a city and a dot was placed everywhere a SWAT team was deployed. They were using this map as proof of racism because there were more deployments in black neighborhoods than white neighborhoods.

OK....I'll acknowledge that there is some racism in the system. However, just looking at this fact, as an example, don't you need to dive deeper into the facts to decide if it really is because of racism? Meaning, are there more drug/crack houses in black neighborhoods than white neighborhoods....etc???

It just seems to me that because there is some racism in the system, some people seem to feel any criticism of the black community is piling on the racism.

As for this instance, I will continue to hold judgement on the incident until further facts are known.

Check out marijuana conviction rates compared to marijuana usage rates in black and white America.

Is the arrest rate the same?

 

[LukeinNE]

Is the arrest rate the same?

I'm sure they're tilted toward blacks. I feel like it would be progress if both sides agree that on the one hand, blacks are targeted by police due to racial prejudices and stereotypes, but on the other, that those stereotypes do exist for a reason.

 

[carlfense]

St. Paul...

I wish I could find it but somewhere I read an article with a bunch of facts on racial statistics. It may have been a link from a thread on here or somewhere on Vox.

Anyway, one of the facts that it pointed out was a map of how a city and a dot was placed everywhere a SWAT team was deployed. They were using this map as proof of racism because there were more deployments in black neighborhoods than white neighborhoods.

OK....I'll acknowledge that there is some racism in the system. However, just looking at this fact, as an example, don't you need to dive deeper into the facts to decide if it really is because of racism? Meaning, are there more drug/crack houses in black neighborhoods than white neighborhoods....etc???

It just seems to me that because there is some racism in the system, some people seem to feel any criticism of the black community is piling on the racism.

As for this instance, I will continue to hold judgement on the incident until further facts are known.

Check out marijuana conviction arrest rates compared to marijuana usage rates in black and white America.

Is the arrest rate the same?

Actually, I think it was the arrest rate that was the source of the disparity. Fixed it, thanks.

 

[carlfense]

Is the arrest rate the same?

I'm sure they're tilted toward blacks. I feel like it would be progress if both sides agree that on the one hand, blacks are targeted by police due to racial prejudices and stereotypes, but on the other, that those stereotypes do exist for a reason.

How would the bold explain the MJ disparity when usage rates are comparable?

 

[StPaulHusker]

Is the arrest rate the same?

I'm sure they're tilted toward blacks. I feel like it would be progress if both sides agree that on the one hand, blacks are targeted by police due to racial prejudices and stereotypes, but on the other, that those stereotypes do exist for a reason.

How would the bold explain the MJ disparity when usage rates are comparable?

It might go back to my question on one side being more visible with their crime and the other not. For example:

Are the whites using the weed in their home while the blacks using it while driving? Or in a public park?

I just always wonder about the variables when I see statistics like this.

 

[Abdullah the Butcher]

You're basically asking a black community to sit back and let the law handle this situation...after the law just killed an innocent unarmed african-american.

No sh#t, rioting is bad, yadayada. But the utter lack of societal awareness being displayed in this thread is appalling.

 

[carlfense]

Is the arrest rate the same?

I'm sure they're tilted toward blacks. I feel like it would be progress if both sides agree that on the one hand, blacks are targeted by police due to racial prejudices and stereotypes, but on the other, that those stereotypes do exist for a reason.

How would the bold explain the MJ disparity when usage rates are comparable?

It might go back to my question on one side being more visible with their crime and the other not. For example:

Are the whites using the weed in their home while the blacks using it while driving? Or in a public park?

I just always wonder about the variables when I see statistics like this.

I suspect a significant variable might be that they're using it while being black.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Is the arrest rate the same?

I'm sure they're tilted toward blacks. I feel like it would be progress if both sides agree that on the one hand, blacks are targeted by police due to racial prejudices and stereotypes, but on the other, that those stereotypes do exist for a reason.

How would the bold explain the MJ disparity when usage rates are comparable?

It might go back to my question on one side being more visible with their crime and the other not. For example:

Are the whites using the weed in their home while the blacks using it while driving? Or in a public park?

I just always wonder about the variables when I see statistics like this.

I suspect a significant variable might be that they're using it while being black.

That would be significant. But I think you know what I am trying to say. I probably am not saying it correctly.

 

[LukeinNE]

Is the arrest rate the same?

I'm sure they're tilted toward blacks. I feel like it would be progress if both sides agree that on the one hand, blacks are targeted by police due to racial prejudices and stereotypes, but on the other, that those stereotypes do exist for a reason.

How would the bold explain the MJ disparity when usage rates are comparable?

Black Americans are overrepresented as perpetrators of crime in this country. That's a straightforward fact and it feeds the stereotype of blacks as a criminal race. When it comes to a cop giving extra scrutiny to someone, I don't think it matters which specific crime we're talking about.