Why I support Romney

[sd'sker]

I honestly try every election cycle to find what I can vote for in both parties. The fact is, all I ever hear from the Dems is that the federal government is the answer to everything and how we are going to pay for it is to tax those evil rich people and those evil corporations. Now, if that isn't their message, then they really suck at marketing.

you want a real discussion? show me where a single democrat has ever said this. then, maybe you could explain to me the specific ideas and propositions of romney that you support and why. if not, i will just save you some time and check out foxnews.com.

 

[sd'sker]

. . . when Obama consistently is trying to blame every economic problem on the 1% or the wealthy or the rich or those making over $250,000 or whatever point of delineation he is using at the time.

What? Are you trying to conflate advocating for not reinstating the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and "blam[ing] every economic problem on the 1%"?

Can you show a single instance where Obama blamed every economic problem on the wealthy?

Maybe "every" was the incorrect word but, you would have to have your head buried in err.... the sand to not hear this message tied to virtually every economic issue that dems or Obama speak about. It is almost always "get the 1% to pay their fair share", 1% this 1% that, "those making 1 million dollars or more", "those making over $250,000" etc. They are the reason we can't balance the budget, they are the reason we can't fully fund education, can't fund social programs. The tax cuts for the rich are why we don't have enough money for Washington to spend on their shopping list. The greedy rich wallstreeters and bankers and insurance guys etc., they're what is holding us back. That is the message I hear when the dems or Obama are talking.

Now I agree that the tax loopholes that allow the rich to pay a lower effective rate than the rest of us needs to be fixed. But WTF, quit talking about it and demonizing wealthy people and just fix it. They use it in a manner that divides us, merely paying lip service to it. Who disagrees that Warren Buffet's secretary shouldn't be paying a higher tax percentage than the Oracle of Omaha? Not very many, that's who. But fixing the problem would remove a great way for the dems to garner their share of the vote. They drive the wedge and use an us vs them approach. Last I checked, we're all in this together. If we can't all get along, the issues facing us will never be solved. Evidenced by our currently dysfunctional congress and political system.

That is what I mean when I say they wage class warfare. And, I don't get that from my party or from Fox or from Rush. That is what I hear when Obama opens his yapper.

seriously, how has obama demonized the wealthy? do you not think it is a big deal that they pay an effective tax rate than the average american? but seriously, how has obama demonized the wealthy?

 

[sd'sker]

you say you support romney, but how? what do you know about his policies?

Paul Ryan, Lacking Policy Specifics, Claims 'People Are Reassured When Political Leaders Are Being Specific'

WASHINGTON -- Mitt Romney and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) have refused to release specifics on their tax plan, particularly when it comes to which deductions and loopholes they would close in order to pay for the proposed tax cuts. That task, they have argued, should be left up to Congress. Ryan, for example, said last month that he and Romneydidn't want to be too specific and preempt what lawmakers may want to do; instead, they believed it was best to present a "

 

[Mars]

Ron Paul? Really? I would rather elect some of the posters on this board ahead that idiot and his borderline anarcho-capitalist agenda.

Yeah, those asshat founding fathers and their liberty-driven principles, am I right? They were completely anarcho-capitalist...

I can't stand Ron Paul! He's always going on and on about reducing the size of government and sound monetary policies. And he's always bitching about our military policing the world, nation buidling, and the never ending wars. Blah blah blah.

What a crackpot!

 

[hskerprid]

This whole thread demonstrates part of the problem with this country. Two posters slinging veiled insults and rhetoric back and forth trying to out pose and one up each other. People need to start using common sense and start doing what's right for the country.

United we stand divided we fall.

All politicians tell you what you want to hear to win and then do as they please.

 

[Mars]

This whole thread demonstrates part of the problem with this country. Two posters slinging veiled insults and rhetoric back and forth trying to out pose and one up each other. People need to start using common sense and start doing what's right for the country.

What is right for the country?

 

[hskerprid]

Never talk politics or religion IMHO go back to the foundation that the founding fathers fought to establish. Make politicians work for the people, term limits, no special treatment after the term or during. Common sense governing with a pinch of progressive thinking thrown in.

I have never voted and probably have no right to criticize anything. I served my country not those in charge and feel the moral compass of politicians and the public in general is in a downward spiral.

I will vote this year for the man not the party.

 

[sd'sker]

Never talk politics or religion IMHO go back to the foundation that the founding fathers fought to establish. Make politicians work for the people, term limits, no special treatment after the term or during. Common sense governing with a pinch of progressive thinking thrown in.

I have never voted and probably have no right to criticize anything. I served my country not those in charge and feel the moral compass of politicians and the public in general is in a downward spiral.

I will vote this year for the man not the party.

i have never really agreed with the bold part. you always have a right to criticize those who were elected to serve you.

 

[Eric the Red]

I thought for equal time, I would start this topic to contend with the other guy.

I don't have or need paragraphs of reasons. Here's my simple rational; f#*k it, why not support Romney? I mean has Obama really been great or even good? Not seeing any type of leadership that isn't likely to improve with a change. I've got more but, that is enough for me.

I have heard this a few times....has Obama been great or even good?

My question, and I'm not saying i'm for or against, i'm registered as an independant, but what would have made Obama simply good?

Ending the war in the Middle East, therefore bringing soldiers home and lowering the enormous budget that we currently have overseas for the war. Cut the budget and create jobs...

Any other opinions......if you do not believe Obama did a good job, what could he have done to for you to categorized his presidency that way.

 

[sd'sker]

I honestly try every election cycle to find what I can vote for in both parties. The fact is, all I ever hear from the Dems is that the federal government is the answer to everything and how we are going to pay for it is to tax those evil rich people and those evil corporations. Now, if that isn't their message, then they really suck at marketing.

you want a real discussion? show me where a single democrat has ever said this. then, maybe you could explain to me the specific ideas and propositions of romney that you support and why. if not, i will just save you some time and check out foxnews.com.

i will keep waiting for that real discussion.

by the way, no one blames the rich for anything. when the issue of taxing the rich is brought up, it is a counter to the republicans only plan on anything (which demonstrate who they truly represent). the rich are not the problem, the problem is that the opposing party of the democrats' only solution is to keep cutting the taxes of the wealthy. if you have not been paying attention (fox news probably has not covered this much), the bush tax cuts are set to expire; the tax cuts that benefit the middle class are being held hostage by republicans who are merely trying to protect the tax cuts of the ultra-rich.

you know what, reading over this again, do not tell me why you support romney; i am tired of the referendum cop-out. however, you have made it perfectly clear that you think obama has been a "failure", well explain to me why you think obama is a "failure". what has he done to prove his 'complete incompetency' or whatever it was you said and what should he have done?

extra bonus points: you can not mention 'community organizer'.

 

[BigRedBuster]

Every issue that comes up, the Democrats think the federal government is the answer to fixing it. Are you saying that the Democrats are for more power going to states and local governments? If so, that is a laughable view. Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you even the one that claimed having a big strong federal government was the only entity that can save us from big corporations?

 

[BigRedBuster]

My comment is no more ridiculous than you accusing me oRepublican media mouthpieces blindly repeating Republican phrases.

Many times on this forum I have spelled out personal experiences as to how I came to my views on life and politics. BUT, any time I get into a discussion with either of you, it quickly boils down to you accusing me of doing nothing more than repeating Republican catch phrases.

It would be far more difficult to point out you doing this if you would stop doing this. Here's a suggestion - stop doing this. At that point, I'll stop pointing out when you do it.

Now, if you want to have a discussion, then let's have one and stop with the annoying accusations as to where I come up with my views because they are so far off. I have repeatedly criticized both the Republican party and their media mouth pieces. BUT, when I do the same for the Democrats and their media mouth pieces, you are quick to defend them.

I cannot recall your criticism of Republican media mouthpieces. Nor, frankly, can I recall your criticism of Democrat media mouthpieces. What I can recall, in this thread, within the hour, is your repetition of Republican BS talking point catchphrases, and me pointing out the idiocy of those catchphrases. Again, stop saying those things and we'll have no more of me pointing them out.

Sorry if you don't like me criticizing the President but facts are facts. He was a Community organizer before he was President. It is a fact that he didn't have any experience running large corporations or being successful in the private sector business.

I criticize Fox News and we high five.

Can't recall doing this, but if it happened, likely we would.

I criticize MSNBC and all of a sudden I have said something that you don't agree with.

I have never defended MSNBC. I consider them on the same level as Fox News, and have said as much many times. I never quote them, I never watch them, and I have no idea what their agenda is, nor do I care.

I have criticized all media on here and claimed they are the biggest threat to this country due to their various allegiances to each party. I have said that many times. I had a discussion on here once where I listed specific people such as Oreilly, Hannity, Maddow, Olberman...etc and someone from the left agreed with me on my views of conservative commentators and defended all of the liberal commentators. My view is that all of them are a pathetic and disgusting part of our media.

 

[knapplc]

Barack Obama was a Senator before he was president, too. You have never mentioned that, but you continue to yammer on about "community organizer" as if it's some bad thing.

Here's a clue - it's not a bad thing. It's a fantastic thing. It shows where you're coming from that a person who helps others in his community is somehow looked down upon. It's too bad, really.

 

[BigRedBuster]

You're right. It's a wonderful thing that we have community organizers that work within a community. My point is that I don't believe that qualifies him to be President of the United States and run the largest organization of people in North America.

After being a community organizer, he was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1998. After just a few years there, (2002) he started investigating his prospects and running for the US Senate which he was sworn in in 2005. Almost instantly, he started running for President which he won in 2008.

So, pardon me if I'm not overly impressed with his vast experience in anything but community organizing and running for office.

And, I have mentioned he has held office before because many times I have have mentioned that other than being a community organizer, he has been good at getting elected.

You really do get offended when someone criticizes Obama don't you?

 

[knapplc]

You really do get offended when someone criticizes Obama don't you?

If using the word "offended" makes you happy, then by all means, do. I'd love for you to be happy in this discussion.

I consider it rolling the rock up the mountain of these continued Fox News derpisms, but hey, what do I know?