ShawnWatson
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I actually responded to you in the woodshed explaining why the number of big plays has gone up, I used actual reasoning and you decided not to respond. You are all over the map right now and making little to no sense.
Armstrong at QB
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74Hunter
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Let's wait and see what happens against a decent defense. As of now, his completion % is horrible, he's missed way too many wide open receivers, he doesn't check down enough, he's had too many potential INTs dropped, and this had led to too many 3 and outs with very little sustained scoring drives.
Against decent defenses when his ypc drops back to 3 yards, those INTs aren't dropped, those missed opportunities could be a killer. Also , not being able to sustain drives is going to hurt the defense, especially the DL late in the year when they're beat up.
Edit: he als likely won't have a nice clean pocket like he has had the first 3 games.
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If I were a betting man, I'd place a lot of money that Armstrong and/or Abduallah would be getting quite a bit of criticism if they were fumbling. So far, they are not. Thus, no criticism.
Guy Chamberlin
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Branno
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Did you even bother to actually read what I wrote? AA has had a career filled with fumbles, and we rightfully pointed out he needed to work on it (which it seems he did). No one had a problem.
But point out TA's accuracy problem and people start grabbing pitchforks.
Branno
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I haven't gone to the woodshed since last night. I just check Huskerboard at work when I have a chance. I'm not deciding to do anything, other than avoid getting fired from my job for posting too much on a message board.
knapplc
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Go back to last year and NOBODY disagreed that Armstrong needed to clean up his INTs, even though he was a raw Redshirt Freshman. There wasn't much sympathy, he had to stop. After the Sparty game it was pretty much universal.
People are disagreeing with the on-and-on nature of criticizing Tommy today because he isn't turning the ball over like he was last year, against similar competition (as I just pointed out).
Guy Chamberlin
Active member
Let's clear up one thing.
Tommy checks down on receivers.
Unless he sees his primary receiver getting separation, which often happens. It's a good thing. It's why he's the primary receiver. Also a sign the pass protection is working.
Sometimes Tommy even looks off a receiver as strategy. He completes those second look passes least as often as he misses a wide-open receiver.
Honestly don't know what games you guys are watching.
The comparison to Frazier, Frost and Crouch's completion percentage is perfectly relevant. We all want that percentage to go up, but to declare it a failure in this particular "system" is ludicrous.
Tommy checks down on receivers.
Unless he sees his primary receiver getting separation, which often happens. It's a good thing. It's why he's the primary receiver. Also a sign the pass protection is working.
Sometimes Tommy even looks off a receiver as strategy. He completes those second look passes least as often as he misses a wide-open receiver.
Honestly don't know what games you guys are watching.
The comparison to Frazier, Frost and Crouch's completion percentage is perfectly relevant. We all want that percentage to go up, but to declare it a failure in this particular "system" is ludicrous.
RedDenver
New member
His completion percentage isn't even close to "horrible". If we're going to play the "potential INT's" card, then the "dropped by his receivers" card means TA's completion percentage is 60+%. Your first paragraph is all your own opinion - and I disagree.
The rest of your post is rampant speculation. I could just as easily speculate that TA will play better against better defenses; therefore, more sustained drives and stuff.
Your post just seems like you're looking for things to criticize.
Because reducing turnovers is a higher priority than completion percentage. Wait....what did you write?
Abdullah the Butcher
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Slight tangent quick, is Westerkamp fast or just good at getting open? He looks slow when running so it's hard to tell. Armstrong should look his way some more to increase his completion % and satisfy the mob.
Branno
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sd'sker
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first, no one is stopping anyone from criticizing tommy. people are just disagreeing with those criticisms and assessments.
second, here is my point by point rebuttal to the criticisms of tommy:
1. he needs to improve; he has improved 9:8 to 7:1. to say, "he was bad last year, just wait until we play good teams" is to ignore his ability to improve and his improvements thus far. he has been better against similar teams and no reason he does not continue to improve until we play the better teams on our schedule. (all two of them)
2. he throws near picks; so? until they are picks, i am not too concerned. no reason he will not continue to learn how to make reads.
3. when we play better competition, his arm will be a liability; we have already seen him improve from last year. no reason to believe he will not continue to improve. not to mention, we do not play many quality defenses.
4. he threw a lot of picks against mich. st. and had a bad game; a lot of qb's did. they had a salty defense. no one should be surprised a freshman backup qb struggled against them. they were also a one loss team that won the B1G and rose bowl. he has time to grow before we face them again.
5. he threw a pick six against msu and we did not recover until the last :20; he found AA in the flat in that game. but that pick six was a mis-communication. if westerkamp takes the inside route, it is a td for the good guys. westerkamp adjusted and tommy did not. again, a mistake that can be improved upon. furthermore, that was a letdown by the entire team. if the o-line could get a push, he would not have had to pass a single time. it was just an ugly game for all involved.
6. he left points on the field at fsu; we got 55, when people complain about missing check downs and completion percentages after a game like that, it seems nit picky.
7. his passing completion is not good enough; he is leading an extremely proficient offense. and he is putting up great numbers.
again, i hope he will improve. obviously he has room to improve. but he also has improved and has performed extremely well. i will just appreciate the ways he has improved rather than obsess over check downs, completion percentages, and should have been or maybe will be interceptions.
second, here is my point by point rebuttal to the criticisms of tommy:
1. he needs to improve; he has improved 9:8 to 7:1. to say, "he was bad last year, just wait until we play good teams" is to ignore his ability to improve and his improvements thus far. he has been better against similar teams and no reason he does not continue to improve until we play the better teams on our schedule. (all two of them)
2. he throws near picks; so? until they are picks, i am not too concerned. no reason he will not continue to learn how to make reads.
3. when we play better competition, his arm will be a liability; we have already seen him improve from last year. no reason to believe he will not continue to improve. not to mention, we do not play many quality defenses.
4. he threw a lot of picks against mich. st. and had a bad game; a lot of qb's did. they had a salty defense. no one should be surprised a freshman backup qb struggled against them. they were also a one loss team that won the B1G and rose bowl. he has time to grow before we face them again.
5. he threw a pick six against msu and we did not recover until the last :20; he found AA in the flat in that game. but that pick six was a mis-communication. if westerkamp takes the inside route, it is a td for the good guys. westerkamp adjusted and tommy did not. again, a mistake that can be improved upon. furthermore, that was a letdown by the entire team. if the o-line could get a push, he would not have had to pass a single time. it was just an ugly game for all involved.
6. he left points on the field at fsu; we got 55, when people complain about missing check downs and completion percentages after a game like that, it seems nit picky.
7. his passing completion is not good enough; he is leading an extremely proficient offense. and he is putting up great numbers.
again, i hope he will improve. obviously he has room to improve. but he also has improved and has performed extremely well. i will just appreciate the ways he has improved rather than obsess over check downs, completion percentages, and should have been or maybe will be interceptions.
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