Why recruiting matters, and the importance of signing day

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Services have no real value.

Recruiting itself is quite important.

I provided an article and undeniable statistical proof that the rankings created by recruiting services are valuable. The services create the rankings that are then used to judge the talent, and those rankings (more often then not) are proving the value of rankings and recruiting services. I don't understand how or why this is difficult for you to see.

How many paid professionals do you think are doing it now? Very few make more than $10k a year.

These are not professionals. And they often just follow the reported offers.

As I said, a reasonably knowledgable fb fan could make a guess based list of the top 20 classes in a given year and end up being as accurate as the services themselves when it comes to team rankings.

Anything that is not performing better than educated guessing is pretty useless as a tool.

The bolded is reason enough for you to probably not offer any further insight into the situation. Part of my career involves work and interaction with recruiting services, analysts, recruiting video services and more. ESPN has people whose full time jobs are to report on recruiting. ESPN has dozens of people working in their talent evaluation department nationwide - maybe more, and ESPN only recently started doing their own recruiting rankings in the last 10-15 years. 24/7 sports is a recent addition to the recruiting service game. Rivals was only created in 1998. All of these corporations employee people, full time, to take part in evaluating recruits and creating the rankings. They ARE NOT paying these people chump change and they do not simply rely on reported offers, though that can sometimes play a factor.

If you think what is happening today in any way compares to what recruiting services were like 25 years ago then I have a wonderful bridge to sell you.

 

[Husker Psycho]

Services have no real value.

Recruiting itself is quite important.

You couldn't be any more clueless.

College recruiters use the knowledge gained by recruiting services and a great performance at one of the "camps" will cause a players desirability and scholarship offers to rise... sometimes greatly.

Rivals is the most accurate college football recruiting service. They have the best record at predicting the success of high school players when they reach college.

Why? Because they use the same method of evaluating players used by professional football. That would be a hands on, in person evaluation. They use camps just like professional football does culminating in the NFL Scouting Combine - National Invitational Camp.

Watching film doesn't tell you much if anything about the level of competition the players faced in high school, how tough was the league they played in or the level of coaching in that league. Many players shine in inferior high school leagues because the competition is weak.

Camps are where players can be evaluated against other players of their same talent level. At these camps, often times players who played against better competition in high school, out perform, while players who competed against inferior competition in high school, under perform. They also get to see in person the players muscle structure, bone density and other pertinent aspects of players makeup and performance metrics ... to see how they stack up against other players of the same talent level. It's a much more accurate way to evaluate talent, which is why professional football uses the same method.

Rivals summer camp serires are open to all players despite what many people claim to the contrary.

It's not Rivals themselves who are superior... it's their method of evaluating talent that's superior.

CM husker... you just dont know what you're talking about.

 

[BigRedBuster]

And if a player doesn't go to one of their camps?

And...you know they are superior because....they are telling you this?

 

[huskerhill]

This thread, and the entire football forum, is a trainwreck... and I can't look away

 

[Husker Psycho]

And if a player doesn't go to one of their camps?

And...you know they are superior because....they are telling you this?

There are camps and competitions all over the country.

If a player chooses not to participate in any of those camps then that's their decision... but it should raise red flags about that players willingness to compete and their willingness to be judged against their peers.

 

[BigRedBuster]

And if a player doesn't go to one of their camps?

And...you know they are superior because....they are telling you this?

There are camps and competitions all over the country.

If a player chooses not to participate in any of those camps then that's their decision... but it should raise red flags about that players willingness to compete and their willingness to be judged against their peers.

Thanks for helping point out a flaw in their system.

And...BTW....even using your amazingly wonderful Rivals, I still proved the top 10 players at MSU and Nebraska aren't that far off from each other.

But....you chose to ignore that point.

 

[Husker Psycho]

And if a player doesn't go to one of their camps?

And...you know they are superior because....they are telling you this?

There are camps and competitions all over the country.

If a player chooses not to participate in any of those camps then that's their decision... but it should raise red flags about that players willingness to compete and their willingness to be judged against their peers.

Thanks for helping point out a flaw in their system.

And...BTW....even using your amazingly wonderful Rivals, I still proved the top 10 players at MSU and Nebraska aren't that far off from each other.

But....you chose to ignore that point.

Elite players (4 and 5 star) are given elite ranking because they have shown elite athletic ability.

Average players ( 3 or less star) are given average ranking because they have shown average athletic ability.

The Elite Player Ratio has proven correct on the field, where it matters, and in the National Championships won by the teams that have achieved it. Period.

 

[BigRedBuster]

And if a player doesn't go to one of their camps?

And...you know they are superior because....they are telling you this?

There are camps and competitions all over the country.

If a player chooses not to participate in any of those camps then that's their decision... but it should raise red flags about that players willingness to compete and their willingness to be judged against their peers.

Thanks for helping point out a flaw in their system.

And...BTW....even using your amazingly wonderful Rivals, I still proved the top 10 players at MSU and Nebraska aren't that far off from each other.

But....you chose to ignore that point.

Elite players (4 and 5 star) are given elite ranking because they have shown elite athletic ability.

Average players ( 3 or less star) are given average ranking because that is what they have shown average athletic ability.

The Elite Player Ratio has proven correct on the field, where it matters and in the National Championships won by the teams that have achieved it. Period.

On your wonderful Rivals, 3 star players are rated from 5.5 - 5.7. 4 star players are from 5.8 - 6.0.

Our average for the top 10 players is 5.75. MSUs is 5.85.

Not much difference there. They are barely above 4* and we are barely below 4*. There isn't some amazing line where all of a sudden a player gets a 4th star and he all of a sudden is God's gift to football. It is a graduated scale.

Now, if our average was 5.55.....I would agree with you.

Fact is, our top 10 isn't much different than theirs. Now, you can keep trying to over exaggerate to make a point but people see through that pretty quickly.

They didn't "Clean our clock".

FYI....a composite type rating is much less flawed.

 

[Red Five]

This thread, and the entire football forum, is a trainwreck... and I can't look away

Agree. And it deserves this:

 

[Husker Psycho]

And if a player doesn't go to one of their camps?

And...you know they are superior because....they are telling you this?

There are camps and competitions all over the country.

If a player chooses not to participate in any of those camps then that's their decision... but it should raise red flags about that players willingness to compete and their willingness to be judged against their peers.

Thanks for helping point out a flaw in their system.

And...BTW....even using your amazingly wonderful Rivals, I still proved the top 10 players at MSU and Nebraska aren't that far off from each other.

But....you chose to ignore that point.

Elite players (4 and 5 star) are given elite ranking because they have shown elite athletic ability.

Average players ( 3 or less star) are given average ranking because that is what they have shown average athletic ability.

The Elite Player Ratio has proven correct on the field, where it matters and in the National Championships won by the teams that have achieved it. Period.

On your wonderful Rivals, 3 star players are rated from 5.5 - 5.7. 4 star players are from 5.8 - 6.0.

Our average for the top 10 players is 5.75. MSUs is 5.85.

Not much difference there. They are barely above 4* and we are barely below 4*. There isn't some amazing line where all of a sudden a player gets a 4th star and he all of a sudden is God's gift to football. It is a graduated scale.

Now, if our average was 5.55.....I would agree with you.

Fact is, our top 10 isn't much different than theirs. Now, you can keep trying to over exaggerate to make a point but people see through that pretty quickly.

FYI....a composite type rating is much less flawed.

There is a huge difference in the number of elite players. Michigan State landed two and a half times more elite players than we did. Period

Ohio State, Michigan along with Alabama, Clemson and a host of other elite teams that cleaned our clock in recruiting this year.

You and the Nebraska Football Program are intent on ignoring that fact and unfortunately our football program is hell bent on continuing to ignore that fact.

It all started a long time ago with Frank Solich and the unwillingness to accept reality continues today. The long downward spiral of our program continues.

 

[Husker Psycho]

FYI....a composite type rating is much less flawed.

There is no sense whatsoever in combining the service with the most accurate results with the service with the worst results.

Doing that makes the information less accurate. And here you are advocating for our program to use less accurate information in recruiting.

That's nonsense and is just more proof of the hubris that has infected our program.

 

[BigRedBuster]

FYI....a composite type rating is much less flawed.

There is no sense whatsoever in combining the service with the most accurate results with the service with the worst results.

Doing that makes the information less accurate. And here you are advocating for our program to use less accurate information in recruiting.

That's nonsense and is just more proof of the hubris that has infected our program.

I'm not advocating for our "program" to use any specific service. I hope and pray they are doing their own evaluations and not using these services.

These services are mostly for fans to follow recruiting.

If you think these services have a major affect on our program...well.....you have a much bigger view of their importance than they deserve.

 

[BigRedBuster]

And if a player doesn't go to one of their camps?

And...you know they are superior because....they are telling you this?

There are camps and competitions all over the country.

If a player chooses not to participate in any of those camps then that's their decision... but it should raise red flags about that players willingness to compete and their willingness to be judged against their peers.

Thanks for helping point out a flaw in their system.

And...BTW....even using your amazingly wonderful Rivals, I still proved the top 10 players at MSU and Nebraska aren't that far off from each other.

But....you chose to ignore that point.

Elite players (4 and 5 star) are given elite ranking because they have shown elite athletic ability.

Average players ( 3 or less star) are given average ranking because that is what they have shown average athletic ability.

The Elite Player Ratio has proven correct on the field, where it matters and in the National Championships won by the teams that have achieved it. Period.

On your wonderful Rivals, 3 star players are rated from 5.5 - 5.7. 4 star players are from 5.8 - 6.0.

Our average for the top 10 players is 5.75. MSUs is 5.85.

Not much difference there. They are barely above 4* and we are barely below 4*. There isn't some amazing line where all of a sudden a player gets a 4th star and he all of a sudden is God's gift to football. It is a graduated scale.

Now, if our average was 5.55.....I would agree with you.

Fact is, our top 10 isn't much different than theirs. Now, you can keep trying to over exaggerate to make a point but people see through that pretty quickly.

FYI....a composite type rating is much less flawed.

There is a huge difference in the number of elite players. Michigan State landed two and a half times more elite players than we did. Period

Ohio State, Michigan along with Alabama, Clemson and a host of other elite teams that cleaned our clock in recruiting this year.

You and the Nebraska Football Program are intent on ignoring that fact and unfortunately our football program is hell bent on continuing to ignore that fact.

It all started a long time ago with Frank Solich and the unwillingness to accept reality continues today. The long downward spiral of our program continues.

Dude......

Exaggerations don't make you right. It simply makes you a fan who exaggerates. I'm not talking about Alabama, OSU or Michigan. They clearly have a much better class than we got. I'm talking about you including MSU in that group that just doesn't fit.

 

[Husker Psycho]

And if a player doesn't go to one of their camps?

And...you know they are superior because....they are telling you this?

There are camps and competitions all over the country.

If a player chooses not to participate in any of those camps then that's their decision... but it should raise red flags about that players willingness to compete and their willingness to be judged against their peers.

Thanks for helping point out a flaw in their system.

And...BTW....even using your amazingly wonderful Rivals, I still proved the top 10 players at MSU and Nebraska aren't that far off from each other.

But....you chose to ignore that point.

Elite players (4 and 5 star) are given elite ranking because they have shown elite athletic ability.

Average players ( 3 or less star) are given average ranking because that is what they have shown average athletic ability.

The Elite Player Ratio has proven correct on the field, where it matters and in the National Championships won by the teams that have achieved it. Period.

On your wonderful Rivals, 3 star players are rated from 5.5 - 5.7. 4 star players are from 5.8 - 6.0.

Our average for the top 10 players is 5.75. MSUs is 5.85.

Not much difference there. They are barely above 4* and we are barely below 4*. There isn't some amazing line where all of a sudden a player gets a 4th star and he all of a sudden is God's gift to football. It is a graduated scale.

Now, if our average was 5.55.....I would agree with you.

Fact is, our top 10 isn't much different than theirs. Now, you can keep trying to over exaggerate to make a point but people see through that pretty quickly.

FYI....a composite type rating is much less flawed.

There is a huge difference in the number of elite players. Michigan State landed two and a half times more elite players than we did. Period

Ohio State, Michigan along with Alabama, Clemson and a host of other elite teams that cleaned our clock in recruiting this year.

You and the Nebraska Football Program are intent on ignoring that fact and unfortunately our football program is hell bent on continuing to ignore that fact.

It all started a long time ago with Frank Solich and the unwillingness to accept reality continues today. The long downward spiral of our program continues.

Dude......

Exaggerations don't make you right. It simply makes you a fan who exaggerates. I'm not talking about Alabama, OSU or Michigan. They clearly have a much better class than we got. I'm talking about you including MSU in that group that just doesn't fit.

Everything you're saying is nonsense.

The last 11 National Championships in a row proves you wrong.

 

[BigRedBuster]

And if a player doesn't go to one of their camps?

And...you know they are superior because....they are telling you this?

There are camps and competitions all over the country.

If a player chooses not to participate in any of those camps then that's their decision... but it should raise red flags about that players willingness to compete and their willingness to be judged against their peers.

Thanks for helping point out a flaw in their system.

And...BTW....even using your amazingly wonderful Rivals, I still proved the top 10 players at MSU and Nebraska aren't that far off from each other.

But....you chose to ignore that point.

Elite players (4 and 5 star) are given elite ranking because they have shown elite athletic ability.

Average players ( 3 or less star) are given average ranking because that is what they have shown average athletic ability.

The Elite Player Ratio has proven correct on the field, where it matters and in the National Championships won by the teams that have achieved it. Period.

On your wonderful Rivals, 3 star players are rated from 5.5 - 5.7. 4 star players are from 5.8 - 6.0.

Our average for the top 10 players is 5.75. MSUs is 5.85.

Not much difference there. They are barely above 4* and we are barely below 4*. There isn't some amazing line where all of a sudden a player gets a 4th star and he all of a sudden is God's gift to football. It is a graduated scale.

Now, if our average was 5.55.....I would agree with you.

Fact is, our top 10 isn't much different than theirs. Now, you can keep trying to over exaggerate to make a point but people see through that pretty quickly.

FYI....a composite type rating is much less flawed.

There is a huge difference in the number of elite players. Michigan State landed two and a half times more elite players than we did. Period

Ohio State, Michigan along with Alabama, Clemson and a host of other elite teams that cleaned our clock in recruiting this year.

You and the Nebraska Football Program are intent on ignoring that fact and unfortunately our football program is hell bent on continuing to ignore that fact.

It all started a long time ago with Frank Solich and the unwillingness to accept reality continues today. The long downward spiral of our program continues.

Dude......

Exaggerations don't make you right. It simply makes you a fan who exaggerates. I'm not talking about Alabama, OSU or Michigan. They clearly have a much better class than we got. I'm talking about you including MSU in that group that just doesn't fit.

Everything you're saying is nonsense.

The last 11 National Championships in a row proves you wrong.

I didn't say anything about National Championships.