Spring Position Battles - Quarterback

[GBRFAN]

POB and the staff need to determine which option will help him develop better for the 2017 season.

Our depth in 2020 > 2016 (thinking POB would be focusing on becoming the early starter over what he can do with an extra year - 4 years from now)

 

[84HuskerLaw]

I suppose Fyfe has already redshirted but maybe we should consider saving him for 2017 back up duty or starting role if none of the others are close. Bush showed some things but it sounds like he is not really a 'close third'. Use Bush as our backup this fall with POB redshirting IF we don't need him.

 

[ColoradoHusk]

I suppose Fyfe has already redshirted but maybe we should consider saving him for 2017 back up duty or starting role if none of the others are close. Bush showed some things but it sounds like he is not really a 'close third'. Use Bush as our backup this fall with POB redshirting IF we don't need him.

Ryker Fyfe redshirted in 2012.

http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205371486&DB_OEM_ID=100

Man, you come up with some doozy ideas for roster management.

 

[Enhance]

You are clearly more comfortable with Fyfe as a backup than I am.

I don't look at it as a level of comfort, more the reality of the situation. TA and Fyfe have a very good foothold on the #1 and #2 spots, so barring injury, or an incredible amount of development on POB's behalf, TA and Fyfe are going to see all or most of the snaps this year.
And few coaches are going to burn their highly touted freshman's redshirt just to see a small portion of relatively pointless snaps.

Next year Tommy and Fyfe are both gone. Redshirting POB means 0 QB's on the roster have any actual playing experience.

And it's not like we don't have an even higher touted QB coming in next year plus a transfer.

Your second paragraph contradicts your first.

A bit, yes. I would counter that the actual playing time he has pales in comparison to what will be asked of him here. But yes he will have playing time elsewhere in a different system.

My point still stands, if POB and Gebbia are to be the future at QB it would be nice for one of them to have game experience.

Lets just use a real world example, then, to better understand your perspective.

2012 Nebraska - Taylor Martinez started all 14 games. Ron Kellogg, his back up, played in four games and threw the ball 9 times. Probably handed the ball off a bit too.

In your opinion, allotting a similar amount of playing time to POB is worth blowing through an entire year of eligibility? Because, barring crazy circumstances, that's what it would be. Garbage mop up duty. In all likelihood, POB will be 4th string coming out of Fall Camp, maybe 3rd at best.

 

[Enhance]

You are clearly more comfortable with Fyfe as a backup than I am.

I don't look at it as a level of comfort, more the reality of the situation. TA and Fyfe have a very good foothold on the #1 and #2 spots, so barring injury, or an incredible amount of development on POB's behalf, TA and Fyfe are going to see all or most of the snaps this year.
And few coaches are going to burn their highly touted freshman's redshirt just to see a small portion of relatively pointless snaps.

Next year Tommy and Fyfe are both gone. Redshirting POB means 0 QB's on the roster have any actual playing experience.

And it's not like we don't have an even higher touted QB coming in next year plus a transfer.

Basically, if a lot of really intricate and detailed variables line up perfectly then I think we should give POB playing time in the fall.

Fixed it for you.

Look, I agree that giving a backup experience is a grand objective. But, A LOT of things have to go POB's way for the next 5-6 months if that is going to be a reality. If he becomes the #2 quarterback and can be out Fyfe, then I'm all over playing time.

However, if he can't, then you're asking a guy (who in all likelihood will be 3rd or 4th string) be allowed to see playing time over a Fyfe. Last year, most here would scoff and ridicule the idea that AJ Bush or Darlington get into the game as the 3rd or 4th sting. But, because POB is "the future", everybody would rather throw caution to the wind.

I can say with 99.9% certainty that unless POB can beat out Fyfe, he will not see playing time next year. The coaches won't be giving a 3rd stringer meaningful snaps in the 1st and 2nd quarter, which means you're relegating POB to a few garbage snaps, and that's even if the game is a blowout. I don't think Nebraska will see many of those this year.

 

[Redux]

You are clearly more comfortable with Fyfe as a backup than I am.

I don't look at it as a level of comfort, more the reality of the situation. TA and Fyfe have a very good foothold on the #1 and #2 spots, so barring injury, or an incredible amount of development on POB's behalf, TA and Fyfe are going to see all or most of the snaps this year.
And few coaches are going to burn their highly touted freshman's redshirt just to see a small portion of relatively pointless snaps.

Next year Tommy and Fyfe are both gone. Redshirting POB means 0 QB's on the roster have any actual playing experience.

And it's not like we don't have an even higher touted QB coming in next year plus a transfer.

Your second paragraph contradicts your first.

A bit, yes. I would counter that the actual playing time he has pales in comparison to what will be asked of him here. But yes he will have playing time elsewhere in a different system.

My point still stands, if POB and Gebbia are to be the future at QB it would be nice for one of them to have game experience.

Lets just use a real world example, then, to better understand your perspective.
2012 Nebraska - Taylor Martinez started all 14 games. Ron Kellogg, his back up, played in four games and threw the ball 9 times. Probably handed the ball off a bit too.

In your opinion, allotting a similar amount of playing time to POB is worth blowing through an entire year of eligibility? Because, barring crazy circumstances, that's what it would be. Garbage mop up duty. In all likelihood, POB will be 4th string coming out of Fall Camp, maybe 3rd at best.

Comparing Kellogg under Beck to POB under Langsdorf is not even close. I doubt POB is 4th string also. Yes, I think it would be beneficial to get him meaningful reps, jmho.

 

[Sargon]

Seems reasonable that POB didn't beat out Fyfe in April yet still may well do that in August. Just have to wait and see.

NU's best shot at a "very good" or better season this year almost has to be Tommy starting and producing his best ever results (aided by careful play calling that best suits him).

We all want a BIG title of course and that's not just up to NU but also to the competition in the league. MSU, OSU and Wisky will all be weaker in 2016 compared to recent years. It's not really the ideal year to hope for it considering NU's team but considering the competition, it is.

 

[Enhance]

You are clearly more comfortable with Fyfe as a backup than I am.

I don't look at it as a level of comfort, more the reality of the situation. TA and Fyfe have a very good foothold on the #1 and #2 spots, so barring injury, or an incredible amount of development on POB's behalf, TA and Fyfe are going to see all or most of the snaps this year.
And few coaches are going to burn their highly touted freshman's redshirt just to see a small portion of relatively pointless snaps.

Next year Tommy and Fyfe are both gone. Redshirting POB means 0 QB's on the roster have any actual playing experience.

And it's not like we don't have an even higher touted QB coming in next year plus a transfer.

Your second paragraph contradicts your first.

A bit, yes. I would counter that the actual playing time he has pales in comparison to what will be asked of him here. But yes he will have playing time elsewhere in a different system.

My point still stands, if POB and Gebbia are to be the future at QB it would be nice for one of them to have game experience.

Lets just use a real world example, then, to better understand your perspective.
2012 Nebraska - Taylor Martinez started all 14 games. Ron Kellogg, his back up, played in four games and threw the ball 9 times. Probably handed the ball off a bit too.

In your opinion, allotting a similar amount of playing time to POB is worth blowing through an entire year of eligibility? Because, barring crazy circumstances, that's what it would be. Garbage mop up duty. In all likelihood, POB will be 4th string coming out of Fall Camp, maybe 3rd at best.

Comparing Kellogg under Beck to POB under Langsdorf is not even close. I doubt POB is 4th string also. Yes, I think it would be beneficial to get him meaningful reps, jmho.

The point was that back-up QB's don't play very often and Kellogg was a 2nd stringer. POB would see even fewer snaps as a 3rd/4th stringer. The coaches have recently come out and said that it's TA, Fyfe and everyone else. Reporters who watched practice said POB spent the majority of his time on the second practice field with 3's and 4's. The likelihood he even beats out Fyfe, at this point, is low.

And you're entitled to your opinion - not trying to take that from you. I'm merely trying to persuade that there's little logic behind forcing snaps to your 3rd/4th string QB, regardless of whether they're the future or not. I don't think you'd find many coaches who would value wasting an entire year of eligibility on some garbage snaps against lower tier competition.

 

[Hunter94]

OK, so if by end of the year POB can't beat a walk on QB (to be the 2nd string guy here), i shouldn't be concerned......yeah, i am good with that.

 

[Enhance]

OK, so if by end of the year POB can't beat a walk on QB (to be the 2nd string guy here), i shouldn't be concerned......yeah, i am good with that.

Why would we need to be? An 18-year-old vs a 5th year senior? That's quite a head start regardless of a young player's potential. Plus, people are so concerned about someone having playing experience (regardless of how substantial or meaningful it is), Tanner Lee has plenty of it. If I had to place money on it, I'd bet Lee is the 2017 starter.

 

[84HuskerLaw]

OK, so if by end of the year POB can't beat a walk on QB (to be the 2nd string guy here), i shouldn't be concerned......yeah, i am good with that.

Why would we need to be? An 18-year-old vs a 5th year senior? That's quite a head start regardless of a young player's potential. Plus, people are so concerned about someone having playing experience (regardless of how substantial or meaningful it is), Tanner Lee has plenty of it. If I had to place money on it, I'd bet Lee is the 2017 starter.

I would certainly hope you would lose that bet. If not, then we have a lot more issues than one can begin to discuss here. A transfer from Tulane or Toledo (? not sure it matters) better NOT beat out our prize - prime cut future of the program - recruit after 18 months in the program!. I guess I didn't watch film of Tanner Lee and I gave all due credit for his recruitment / transfer in but I believe we would reasonably assume he was recruited to be a solid back up in case of injury/emergency, etc. I don't want to disparage Tanner in anyway but we are building/rebuilding or whatever other term you may wish to apply to it our program for long term competitive status at the top of the conference and nationally. More mediocrity is NOT the plan here so we are seeking the best of the best to become champions at Nebraska. Atleast that is what my understanding is and we must build depth and quality. We may sacrifice some in the near term in order to get that depth and sustainable status.

 

[Redux]

I just think that POB will be higher up the depth chart by Fall. When is the cutoff to redshirt him?

Again, if Fyfe is better then fine let him be the back up. But seeing as that's his ceiling and this is his last year I wouldn't hate the thought of having POB competing for the starting job next year with actual game experience. Between Lee, Gebbia and POB it could be the biggest difference maker in who wins the job.

 

[whateveritis1224]

I just think that POB will be higher up the depth chart by Fall. When is the cutoff to redshirt him?

Again, if Fyfe is better then fine let him be the back up. But seeing as that's his ceiling and this is his last year I wouldn't hate the thought of having POB competing for the starting job next year with actual game experience. Between Lee, Gebbia and POB it could be the biggest difference maker in who wins the job.

If he plays a snap this year he burns the redshirt, that one snap can be in the first game or the 13th/14th.

 

[Hunter94]

OK, so if by end of the year POB can't beat a walk on QB (to be the 2nd string guy here), i shouldn't be concerned......yeah, i am good with that.

Why would we need to be? An 18-year-old vs a 5th year senior? That's quite a head start regardless of a young player's potential. Plus, people are so concerned about someone having playing experience (regardless of how substantial or meaningful it is), Tanner Lee has plenty of it. If I had to place money on it, I'd bet Lee is the 2017 starter.

dude,if a walk on AND a transfer keep POB on the bench, we got fooled big time!

 

[Redux]

I just think that POB will be higher up the depth chart by Fall. When is the cutoff to redshirt him?

Again, if Fyfe is better then fine let him be the back up. But seeing as that's his ceiling and this is his last year I wouldn't hate the thought of having POB competing for the starting job next year with actual game experience. Between Lee, Gebbia and POB it could be the biggest difference maker in who wins the job.

If he plays a snap this year he burns the redshirt, that one snap can be in the first game or the 13th/14th.

Yeah I understad that, I'm wondering if there is a timeframe you have to decide he is redshirting, I assume there is not since you can pull it at any time.

OK, so if by end of the year POB can't beat a walk on QB (to be the 2nd string guy here), i shouldn't be concerned......yeah, i am good with that.

Why would we need to be? An 18-year-old vs a 5th year senior? That's quite a head start regardless of a young player's potential. Plus, people are so concerned about someone having playing experience (regardless of how substantial or meaningful it is), Tanner Lee has plenty of it. If I had to place money on it, I'd bet Lee is the 2017 starter.

dude,if a walk on AND a transfer keep POB on the bench, we got fooled big time!

I get the sense Enhance is leery of POB's abilities.