OWH: Outgoing UNL Chancellor Harvey Perlman leaves with unmet goal: Huskers’ return to top

[Red Dead Redemption]

People who think football is the most important thing at UNL make me giggle. So ignorant. People who are incapable of separating their own preferences from facts make me giggle as well.

It's possible to care only about football when it comes to UNL, but at the same time realize that football is not the most important thing about the university.

 

[StPaulHusker]

You said TO's hand was a constant like Perlman's, but clearly that's not true. I'm not sure why that realization would prompt a personal insult.

We will agree to disagree. We see it differently. But the reasons to insult you go beyond this.

The difficult thing is understanding how you can see TO as being as responsible as Perlman. TO's picks went a combined 125-46 (73-22) and finished ranked (or were ranked at time of firing) during 11 of 13 seasons - with several division wins, a conference champ win and a NC appearance.Those records amount to some of the best by first time coaches EVER.

It was Perlman that decided to fire those coaches and replace them with Callahan and Riley.

My one solice is that I actually like Riley as a person. Just wish people would quit tearing down TO, Frank, Bo and their players as a method of defending Riley.

Also wish Perlman would quit bringing the topic up in an effort to justify his idiotic moves.

TO was a poor judge of character then...They might have been decent football coaches but they had other issues that led to their dismissal. Why you can't get that through your damn head is beyond me. But whatever.

This is funny. Someone who accused one of our best players of sabotage in the name of loyalty to Bo is criticising someone else's judge of character.

I don't think what you wrote make sense. Am I wrong? Serious question. It appears to me that you think it's funny that Stumpy is criticizing both for character issues.

 

[Red Dead Redemption]

You said TO's hand was a constant like Perlman's, but clearly that's not true. I'm not sure why that realization would prompt a personal insult.

We will agree to disagree. We see it differently. But the reasons to insult you go beyond this.

The difficult thing is understanding how you can see TO as being as responsible as Perlman. TO's picks went a combined 125-46 (73-22) and finished ranked (or were ranked at time of firing) during 11 of 13 seasons - with several division wins, a conference champ win and a NC appearance.Those records amount to some of the best by first time coaches EVER.

It was Perlman that decided to fire those coaches and replace them with Callahan and Riley.

My one solice is that I actually like Riley as a person. Just wish people would quit tearing down TO, Frank, Bo and their players as a method of defending Riley.

Also wish Perlman would quit bringing the topic up in an effort to justify his idiotic moves.

TO was a poor judge of character then...They might have been decent football coaches but they had other issues that led to their dismissal. Why you can't get that through your damn head is beyond me. But whatever.

This is funny. Someone who accused one of our best players of sabotage in the name of loyalty to Bo is criticising someone else's judge of character.

I don't think what you wrote make sense. Am I wrong? Serious question. It appears to me that you think it's funny that Stumpy is criticizing both for character issues.

I'm saying it's hypocritical. It appears you believe the sabotage accusation.

How about answering my question?

You said TO's hand was a constant like Perlman's, but clearly that's not true. I'm not sure why that realization would prompt a personal insult.

We will agree to disagree. We see it differently. But the reasons to insult you go beyond this.

The difficult thing is understanding how you can see TO as being as responsible as Perlman. TO's picks went a combined 125-46 (73-22) and finished ranked (or were ranked at time of firing) during 11 of 13 seasons - with several division wins, a conference champ win and a NC appearance.Those records amount to some of the best by first time coaches EVER.

It was Perlman that decided to fire those coaches and replace them with Callahan and Riley.

My one solice is that I actually like Riley as a person. Just wish people would quit tearing down TO, Frank, Bo and their players as a method of defending Riley.

Also wish Perlman would quit bringing the topic up in an effort to justify his idiotic moves.

TO was a poor judge of character then...They might have been decent football coaches but they had other issues that led to their dismissal. Why you can't get that through your damn head is beyond me. But whatever.

TO has always been poor judge of character. It goes beyond 2 football coaches.

Yeah, I don't get this either.

Please elaborate. Are you referring to players?

Mainly.

I guess I don't know that much about TO's professional and personal life. Other than coaches and players, where else has TO shown to often be a poor judge of character?

 

[In the Deed the Glory]

People who think football is the most important thing at UNL make me giggle. So ignorant. People who are incapable of separating their own preferences from facts make me giggle as well.

It's possible to care only about football when it comes to UNL, but at the same time realize that football is not the most important thing about the university.

I mean, to just name a couple things, UNL is pretty damn important when it comes to figuring out how to feed large populations and come up with alternative fuel sources. I could go on.

Who thinks that?

People who crucify a chancellor for decisions of athletic directors and coaches.

 

[StPaulHusker]

You said TO's hand was a constant like Perlman's, but clearly that's not true. I'm not sure why that realization would prompt a personal insult.

We will agree to disagree. We see it differently. But the reasons to insult you go beyond this.

The difficult thing is understanding how you can see TO as being as responsible as Perlman. TO's picks went a combined 125-46 (73-22) and finished ranked (or were ranked at time of firing) during 11 of 13 seasons - with several division wins, a conference champ win and a NC appearance.Those records amount to some of the best by first time coaches EVER.

It was Perlman that decided to fire those coaches and replace them with Callahan and Riley.

My one solice is that I actually like Riley as a person. Just wish people would quit tearing down TO, Frank, Bo and their players as a method of defending Riley.

Also wish Perlman would quit bringing the topic up in an effort to justify his idiotic moves.

TO was a poor judge of character then...They might have been decent football coaches but they had other issues that led to their dismissal. Why you can't get that through your damn head is beyond me. But whatever.

This is funny. Someone who accused one of our best players of sabotage in the name of loyalty to Bo is criticising someone else's judge of character.

I don't think what you wrote make sense. Am I wrong? Serious question. It appears to me that you think it's funny that Stumpy is criticizing both for character issues.

I'm saying it's hypocritical. It appears you believe the sabotage accusation.

How about answering my question?

You said TO's hand was a constant like Perlman's, but clearly that's not true. I'm not sure why that realization would prompt a personal insult.

We will agree to disagree. We see it differently. But the reasons to insult you go beyond this.

The difficult thing is understanding how you can see TO as being as responsible as Perlman. TO's picks went a combined 125-46 (73-22) and finished ranked (or were ranked at time of firing) during 11 of 13 seasons - with several division wins, a conference champ win and a NC appearance.Those records amount to some of the best by first time coaches EVER.

It was Perlman that decided to fire those coaches and replace them with Callahan and Riley.

My one solice is that I actually like Riley as a person. Just wish people would quit tearing down TO, Frank, Bo and their players as a method of defending Riley.

Also wish Perlman would quit bringing the topic up in an effort to justify his idiotic moves.

TO was a poor judge of character then...They might have been decent football coaches but they had other issues that led to their dismissal. Why you can't get that through your damn head is beyond me. But whatever.

TO has always been poor judge of character. It goes beyond 2 football coaches.

Yeah, I don't get this either.

Please elaborate. Are you referring to players?

Mainly.

I guess I don't know that much about TO's professional and personal life. Other than coaches and players, where else has TO shown to often be a poor judge of character?

I don't see where I believe in sabotage of the team.

And I didn't see your question. Sorry. The posts are moving fast in here. I was referring to mainly the players. I don't think it needs to go beyond that.

But in all seriousness. I just couldn't understand that post of yours. I read it several times and I just didn't get it. It wasn't meant to be an insult to you. I just thought I wasn't reading it correctly.

 

[cm husker]

People who think football is the most important thing at UNL make me giggle. So ignorant. People who are incapable of separating their own preferences from facts make me giggle as well.

It's possible to care only about football when it comes to UNL, but at the same time realize that football is not the most important thing about the university.

I mean, to just name a couple things, UNL is pretty damn important when it comes to figuring out how to feed large populations and come up with alternative fuel sources. I could go on.

Who thinks that?

People who crucify a chancellor for decisions of athletic directors and coaches.

That doesn't logically follow.

I can believe that A is more important than B, but that doesn't mean that the failure to do B is excuses because A was performed.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

And as I recall strictly from anecdotal memory, the majority of fans did not want to see either Solich or Pelini fired.

We're a silent majority kinda state and we're pretty forgiving. I would say a considerable majority were displeased with Bo's on field performance and quite a few had issues with his personality, but most would have preferred cutting lose an assistant or two and giving Bo another season. I personally think firing Bo was the right call.

Firing Solich was more of a shocker, because he provided continuity to the glory years, and frankly that should have included a Heisman winner and appearance in the 2001 NC game. I honestly don't know how people would have felt if they knew Frank's off-field issues were figured in, but my guess is they would have been forgiving of that as well. Also, Frank's utterly unacceptable 7-7 season had been followed by a reasonable 9-3 turnaround in 2003. Being decent Nebraskans, we didn't think you should punish a guy who goes 9-3, and worried what the rest of the college football nation would think. But once the deed was done, I do recall that a lot of people believed the talent level at Nebraska had been in serious decline, and looked forward to what a new coach and better recruiter might bring. Being decent Nebraskans, we gave Bill Callahan three seasons benefit of the doubt before 2007 made it impossible.

Tom Osborne said and did a lot of things commensurate with his position, his loyalties and his sense of diplomacy. As with a lot of great people removed from their core competency, it's foolish to assign him blame, credit or what ifs.

Anyone who says they knew exactly what would happen without the benefit of hindsight is lying.

 

[In the Deed the Glory]

People who think football is the most important thing at UNL make me giggle. So ignorant. People who are incapable of separating their own preferences from facts make me giggle as well.

It's possible to care only about football when it comes to UNL, but at the same time realize that football is not the most important thing about the university.

I mean, to just name a couple things, UNL is pretty damn important when it comes to figuring out how to feed large populations and come up with alternative fuel sources. I could go on.

Who thinks that?

People who crucify a chancellor for decisions of athletic directors and coaches.

That doesn't logically follow.

I can believe that A is more important than B, but that doesn't mean that the failure to do B is excuses because A was performed.

Ok, let us all have a little lesson in priorities. If he did a great job in every other area in regards to endowment, national perception, and academic expansion (research dollars included) then you would excuse his lowest priority.

Lowest priority being...IF THE DAMN FOOTBALL TEAM WINS GAMES. I would hope the only time he worries about the football team is if they somehow reflect poorly on the university and it could negatively effect the academic side of things. i.e. Bo Pelini acting like a jacka$$.

 

[Red Dead Redemption]

In regards to TO and his alleged long history of poor judge of character...

It's very easy to judge someone and write them off and turn your back on them, and infinitely easy to say that's what should have been done when you are aided by hindsight. But it takes a special person to go against what the mob says and see that there is still good in someone and tries to help bring that out. Sometimes that effort will pan out, and unfortunately sometimes it doesn't. But at least he tried when maybe no one else would care.

 

[cm husker]

Tom Osborne was coach to at least 800 different players as a head coach at Nebraska, assuming he brought in about 30 scholarship and walkon players per year and inherited 50 or so more.

Among those 800, a small fraction had trouble with the law and super tiny fraction had major crimes put to their names.

I'd say TO's character judgment was pretty darn good.

It's sad we have fans now who need to reinvent history and throw barbs at a man like TO to justify their defense of guys like Perlman and Pederson.

 

[cm husker]

People who think football is the most important thing at UNL make me giggle. So ignorant. People who are incapable of separating their own preferences from facts make me giggle as well.

It's possible to care only about football when it comes to UNL, but at the same time realize that football is not the most important thing about the university.

I mean, to just name a couple things, UNL is pretty damn important when it comes to figuring out how to feed large populations and come up with alternative fuel sources. I could go on.

Who thinks that?

People who crucify a chancellor for decisions of athletic directors and coaches.

That doesn't logically follow.
I can believe that A is more important than B, but that doesn't mean that the failure to do B is excuses because A was performed.

Ok, let us all have a little lesson in priorities. If he did a great job in every other area in regards to endowment, national perception, and academic expansion (research dollars included) then you would excuse his lowest priority.

Lowest priority being...IF THE DAMN FOOTBALL TEAM WINS GAMES. I would hope the only time he worries about the football team is if they somehow reflect poorly on the university and it could negatively effect the academic side of things. i.e. Bo Pelini acting like a jacka$$.

But that's not the only time he worried about it. You're really ignoring his relationship with Pederson.

And we don't know what a real leader could have accomplished on the academic side.

Again, it's not about having the wrong priorities.

 

[In the Deed the Glory]

Who the hell is defending Pederson? I don't know about TO's judge of character. What I do know is that Bo Pelini met a highly respected established head coach at midfield as an ASSISTANT and spewed profanity and saliva at him. Then we hired him to represent our Athletic Department and University. That may have been a bad decision considering 10 years later he spewed profanity, saliva, and the clasp of a ball cap at a referee. Proving he learned nothing in that decade about how to conduct oneself as a professional.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Tom Osborne was coach to at least 800 different players as a head coach at Nebraska, assuming he brought in about 30 scholarship and walkon players per year and inherited 50 or so more.

Among those 800, a small fraction had trouble with the law and super tiny fraction had major crimes put to their names.

I'd say TO's character judgment was pretty darn good.

It's sad we have fans now who need to reinvent history and throw barbs at a man like TO to justify their defense of guys like Perlman and Pederson.

Yeah. What's a few armed robberies, rapes, and assaults mean anyway?

 

[knapplc]

Tom Osborne was coach to at least 800 different players as a head coach at Nebraska, assuming he brought in about 30 scholarship and walkon players per year and inherited 50 or so more.

Among those 800, a small fraction had trouble with the law and super tiny fraction had major crimes put to their names.

I'd say TO's character judgment was pretty darn good.

It's sad we have fans now who need to reinvent history and throw barbs at a man like TO to justify their defense of guys like Perlman and Pederson.

Yeah. What's a few armed robberies, rapes, and assaults mean anyway?

Stop reinventing history. None of those things ever happened at Nebraska, doubly so under Osborne's watch.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Tom Osborne was coach to at least 800 different players as a head coach at Nebraska, assuming he brought in about 30 scholarship and walkon players per year and inherited 50 or so more.

Among those 800, a small fraction had trouble with the law and super tiny fraction had major crimes put to their names.

I'd say TO's character judgment was pretty darn good.

It's sad we have fans now who need to reinvent history and throw barbs at a man like TO to justify their defense of guys like Perlman and Pederson.

Yeah. What's a few armed robberies, rapes, and assaults mean anyway?

Stop reinventing history. None of those things ever happened at Nebraska, doubly so under Osborne's watch.

Not sure if serious....