knapplc
Active member
Why do people pretend that Trump supporters are the only ones piled on? Isn't this whole discussion people complaining about the anti-Trump crowd?
The narrative here is absurd.
Douchebag Thread for Politics & Religion Spill Over
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The narrative here is absurd.
ZRod
Active member
He'd like that since he's a wrestling freak and all.
knapplc
Active member
This is the disconnect. You're all telling me I'm wrong these last half dozen posts. This conversation could go on for five pages if we continue it. I don't feel like I'm being "piled on," I feel like we're having a conversation.
There's a demographic on HuskerBoard who, were they in my shoes the last several posts, would cry they're being "piled on" or "ganged up on." Several others would rush to their defense. They don't provide facts to the discussion, they provide feelings about the discussion.
That's why these things drag on. There's a logical side and an emotional side. The emotional side overreacts and we get where we are today.
There's a demographic on HuskerBoard who, were they in my shoes the last several posts, would cry they're being "piled on" or "ganged up on." Several others would rush to their defense. They don't provide facts to the discussion, they provide feelings about the discussion.
That's why these things drag on. There's a logical side and an emotional side. The emotional side overreacts and we get where we are today.
Saunders
Administrator
Look, my intentions had nothing to do with pro/con any person or side. I simply saw a huge wash of political stuff, it seemed out of place, and I moved it. I made a judgement call. Most of the drama we have on this board is related to the P&R forum, and stuff from it spilling out, or people holding grudges. I'm simply trying to curb that as best I can.
ADS
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I like this idea.
JJ Husker
Donor
Nobody is pretending that Trump supporters are the only one piled on.
IMO, the discussion was not about people complaining about the anti-Trump crowd. That certainly wasn't my intent. Hell, I'm in the anti-Trump crowd myself, I just don't make 50 posts a day to that effect. The discussion was about a statement Trump made that quickly morphed into how that statement was ironic. Not a DBHOF worthy topic IMO
Once again, the problem in the DBHOF was the pervasive and drawn out political discussion that had nothing to do with pointing out any posters douchebaggery. I guess I don't see a problem with having a dedicated place for ongoing political discussion that is too heated to have in the regular P&R forum. Seems like that should be welcomed rather than bitched about.
Saunders
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zoogs
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The "attraction" is that he is the President of the United States. A healthy, vibrant democracy depends on an engaged and scrutinizing citizenry.
I get knapp's frustrations here. Not everyone has to talk politics all the time, or even ever, sure. But we keep having proxy political debates that end up being "you're being ridiculous" ad hominems -- not in a rulebreaking way, in a let's-not-actually-debate-the-issues way. Of course we elect guys like Trump when opposition to guys like him gets reduced to "you people and your complaining all the time."
JJ Husker
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I get that and sympathize with it. I'm glad there are people more dedicated than I am to calling out his bullsh#t. It is important that people stay aware of it. But also, at the same time, it can be overwhelming. I guess I have accepted it as a fact that that not much good, if any, is going to come from this administration or this congress. However, I do hope, for all our sakes, that maybe, possibly, accidently, something good does happen along the way. I don't expect it but there is that ever so slight glimmer hanging in the background. I'll chime in on it now and again but for the most part I just want it to be over with. That desire spills over into my attitude about discussions involving Trump. It just doesn't strike me as news or worthy discussion most of the time when he has yet again said another idiotic thing. When I see those things get beat into the ground some times I may comment with what appears to be a defense. It really isn't a defense of anything Trump but rather is just my exhaustion at another in a long list of stupid things he says or does. I guess the only people that frustration can be aimed at are those constantly carrying the torch. For that I am sorry. I realize that the greater good is served by keeping those issues at the forefront of discussion. I just often get sick and tired of seeing it. We simply have to start running and electing much better people.
Surely we can agree that those discussions can take place in a more appropriate forum than the DBHOF?
knapplc
Active member
It's not just "bullsh#t" from Trump, it's an existential threat to America's way of life. We lost a LOT of civil liberties through the Patriot Act. Now we have another guy in office who wants to push into that even more. It is the responsibility of all good citizens to defend our freedoms.
If you're not willing to fight that fight, or even annoyed by being made aware of it, whatever. But stop with the push-back against those of us who see the problem and want to expose it. There's an attempted chilling effect on such resistance and it's got to stop.
If you're not willing to fight that fight, or even annoyed by being made aware of it, whatever. But stop with the push-back against those of us who see the problem and want to expose it. There's an attempted chilling effect on such resistance and it's got to stop.
zoogs
New member
Yeah, I totally understand that. And I agree that following politics, or watching other people talk politics, can be aggravating. The only part that frustrates me is using this as a rebuttal to points of policy debate or as an argument re:newsworthiness. It's not a rebuttal.
I think in more "normal" circumstances it wouldn't spill over as much, because there just wouldn't be this sense of urgency. At least if it did spill over, it wouldn't be as caustic, perhaps? But generally, I lean in favor of accepting that it's impossible to disentangle politics from everything. It may not be intentionally chilling, but it's no less dangerous. I see it as enforcing a perception of normalcy. If this isn't a moment where we can all wake up and accept that things are not normal, then I truly fear for our future. If history is a guide, there are few limits to what people will consent to if the forces promoting consent are strong enough.
I get this, too, and I don't mind it. I'm also sorry for how politics spills over sometimes. I just ask that we agree anyone's personal exhaustion isn't really a counter-argument.
I think in more "normal" circumstances it wouldn't spill over as much, because there just wouldn't be this sense of urgency. At least if it did spill over, it wouldn't be as caustic, perhaps? But generally, I lean in favor of accepting that it's impossible to disentangle politics from everything. It may not be intentionally chilling, but it's no less dangerous. I see it as enforcing a perception of normalcy. If this isn't a moment where we can all wake up and accept that things are not normal, then I truly fear for our future. If history is a guide, there are few limits to what people will consent to if the forces promoting consent are strong enough.
Danny Bateman
Donor
FWIW, I was the one who posted that herd of douchebags to the DBHOF in the first place, and I'm completely cool with the mods splitting this into a separate thread. I could see why people wouldn't want a side-discussion cluttering up the DBHOF, which should be reserved for just ranting about douches.
At the same time, I agree with everything Knapp said in #85.
I get that some folks get annoyed at politics chatter or wish to disengage. That's cool. I understand why they'd be frustrated that it's spilling over to other areas of the board if they're just here for Husker sports.
At the same time, I strongly feel this is something we need more people to engage in. We NEED more people plugged in. As great as we all puff our chests and say our country is, our democracy has some serious flaws, and maybe it took a matchup like Clinton-Trump to make that clear. Now that Trump is POTUS, he and his people are going to look for those cracks and exploit them, or make them worse. Gerrymandering is a problem. Dark money is a problem. The electoral college is a problem. France's election yesterday showcased a better system, IMO.
The more people we get involved in this stuff and demanding fairer elections for representatives that actually serve our needs, the less we have to watch this same old carousel of crap continue.
At the same time, I agree with everything Knapp said in #85.
I get that some folks get annoyed at politics chatter or wish to disengage. That's cool. I understand why they'd be frustrated that it's spilling over to other areas of the board if they're just here for Husker sports.
At the same time, I strongly feel this is something we need more people to engage in. We NEED more people plugged in. As great as we all puff our chests and say our country is, our democracy has some serious flaws, and maybe it took a matchup like Clinton-Trump to make that clear. Now that Trump is POTUS, he and his people are going to look for those cracks and exploit them, or make them worse. Gerrymandering is a problem. Dark money is a problem. The electoral college is a problem. France's election yesterday showcased a better system, IMO.
The more people we get involved in this stuff and demanding fairer elections for representatives that actually serve our needs, the less we have to watch this same old carousel of crap continue.
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Mierin
Donor
Redux waan't piled on. Can we stop with that idiocy?
For f#*k's sake zoogs explained the irony of Trump's statement to him. How the f#*k is that piling on?
He then said he didn't care what zoogs said because zoogs is partisan, but whether or not the new healthcare plan is more socialized is not a partisan topic. It is less socialized, period. The Democrats know it, the GOP knows it, my 4 year old nephew knows it. Saying he wouldn't listen to zoogs explanation on it because he's partisan was bullsh#t.
For f#*k's sake zoogs explained the irony of Trump's statement to him. How the f#*k is that piling on?
He then said he didn't care what zoogs said because zoogs is partisan, but whether or not the new healthcare plan is more socialized is not a partisan topic. It is less socialized, period. The Democrats know it, the GOP knows it, my 4 year old nephew knows it. Saying he wouldn't listen to zoogs explanation on it because he's partisan was bullsh#t.
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Enhance
Administrator
If you don't want people analyzing, criticizing, or (in your opinion) manipulating your perspective, then don't engage in the conversation in the first place, particularly if you're not willing or able to defend your assertions. This is an incredibly problematic method of message board interaction.
You can't claim disinterest in a conversation (or the resulting replies) when you willingly enter it, regardless of your intention or perceived lack of deference. It assuredly doesn't give the right to play victim.
This attitude is the equivalent of walking up to someone on the street, punching them in the face, and then running away while screaming "I don't really care to fight you!"
"Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something."