For the last 8 years I have worked as a social worker and have seen now both the law enforcement side and the social side. There is no doubt abuse takes place but refusing to control a child with the means of physically striking a kid is part of the problem in many households. Those who refuse to do it seem to have more arrogant or disobedient kids. Those that use it as an occasional means do well. Those that over use it end up with bigger problems than what they started with.
My comment about whipping the tar out of the kid was also prefaced to that family and many others that there is a line between abuse and discipline. Which I mentioned above. I wanted to reassure the parents they they possessed control of the child and not a bureaucratic or legal society of know it alls. The kid needed to understand the chain of command when it comes to discipline.
Minnesota_husker
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If he hit her with an open hand hard enough to cause a black eye, then i dont care if its open handed or a fist...
Of course he claimed it was an open hand. She said differently and the evidence(black eye) would be more in line with a closed fist.
junior4949
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Schools are the same. If parents would just do their job, there really wouldn't be the need for sex ed., drivers ed., etc. in the school. My sister-in-law is a teacher. She says things have changed drastically in the last two decades. Parents just don't parent any longer. They expect someone else to do it for them. I'm sure most of us have been there where we're out in public and there's an unruly child where the parent(s) just let them go. It seems to be getting worse. It's no wonder shopping online has gotten so popular.
Nebfanatic
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lmao the imagery
VectorVictor
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First off, and this isn't a problem just exclusive to this board, some folks seem to have a problem understanding here is that empathy =/= condonement of the action. I can empathize with Ahman as a parent. I can empathize with Ahman as a parent trying to get an unruly child to do chores. That doesn't mean I condone the course of action he took to get the child to do the chores, nor do I condone the outcome. And if Ahman did purposefully and forcefully strike the child intentionally, then I hope he and his family get the help that they need.
Second, considering that the MIL, SIL, and wife all were at the home, didn't see anything transpire out of the ordinary, and that it's been documented that Ahman has had problems with the teenager being out of control...what has been reported so far leads me to believe that if there was anything wrong that was done, it was an accident on Ahman's part. And if the daughter was wearing glasses...well, I know when I wore glasses, I had issues where someone accidentally hit my glasses or face and because of the lens and spring hinges, it looked like I walked into the wrong alley at times (e.g. cuts, stitches, bruising). So I can see from my own personal experience how a simple love tap could go awry and cause this.
Third, how about we save all of the drama and extremism for the Politics board? This is one of our own that was accused of this...there's nothing wrong with empathy towards Ahman or his family. We're all human, and humans make mistakes. If Ahman made a mistake, then I hope he owns up to it and he gets help. If he didn't, then I hope he and his family still get help, as it's obvious there's some sort of dysfunction going on in that household.
Hooked on Huskers
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40 years ago, all families was typical actions. Punishment and discipline to correct disobedience including "black eye". Child abuse? .... she is fifteen, not infant! Oh well, time is changing I suppose .....
It reminds me of Full Metal Jacket movie with drill sergeant and recruits in opening scene .... not anymore
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Nebfanatic
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How do I remove an accidental plus one?
BIGREDIOWAN
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I've moved several posts to the woodshed, this topic is getting out of hand. You want to personally attack each other's parenting styles, cool, go to the woodshed and do that. You want to rile the entire board up and call people names, well there are consequences for that. Everyone needs to chill out and move on with the topic. Next step is warnings, suspensions, whatever and locking the thread to get things under control. From the beginning this topic has been heated, it's an unfortunate circumstance that we don't have all of the information at this point to be able to make a decision on what has actually happened. Let all the facts come out before you decide he's automatically guilty or not. Moving on.....
Mierin
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For the millionth babillionth time, most people aren't really discussing Ahman. They're discussing whether they are capable of doing what he's accused of and whether it's okay to do the thing he's accused of or not.
I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of your post but this is the 3rd or 4th time someone has said this in response to people talking about whether they could strike a kid in general. Not to whether Ahman is a terrible person who should be thrown in a pit of fire ants and dirty bandaids.
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NUance
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StPaulHusker
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That's going to be my most prized +1 ever, too.The same way you put toothpaste back in the tube.
BIGREDIOWAN
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I personally don't care whether you agree with it or not, you're being argumentative. The point is the topic needs to be discussed that started this thread. It spiraled into folks lashing out at one another due to their parenting style and their opinions. It started getting off topic, I'm getting it back on topic, it really is that simple. Nothing more........
