The Democrat Utopia

GBR0988 said:
No, they’re true. Did you watch any of the debates this past election? The Democratic Party is all about higher taxes and redistributionism. That’s the foundation of everything Bernie Sanders believes.
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Obama and the Dem controlled Congress made the George W Bush tax cuts permanent, so they can't be all about higher taxes.

 
GBR0988 said:
According to Webster:


Definition of [SIZE=1.047em]socialism[/SIZE]



1:any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 
2a :a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b :a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
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According the Oxford English dictionary:

A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
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So this thread is going to be Fox News/Brietbart talking points about Democrats.  Cool.

I'll probably spend more time in the Republican Utopia thread, posting actual things that actual Conservatives have said and done, with little or no resistance from other actual Conservatives.

 
GBR0988 said:
Okay, if we use that definition, that’s not freedom. You don’t own your own production or possessions, the community does. I prefer freedom and private property.
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You don't own your production either - it's owned by a corporation. And you're ignoring a very important part of that definition: "owned or regulated". In other words, socialism doesn't mean that the state (or community) has to take over private enterprise, which is what I said to start with.

 
Welcome GBR.  I, too, am a conservative who reads quite a bit on Huskerboard, but doesn't post much.  I've found that, in general, if  you post respectfully, people will do likewise and treat your posts with respect.  I have also found that if you come to the board more looking for a conversation, rather than an argument, you'll have a much better chance of educating people on your ideas, and will also learn from other peoples posts.  Just what I've noticed since joining Huskerboard; not in any way implying that you haven't done this with your first posts.

 
RedDenver said:
You don't own your production either - it's owned by a corporation. And you're ignoring a very important part of that definition: "owned or regulated". In other words, socialism doesn't mean that the state (or community) has to take over private enterprise, which is what I said to start with.
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When you get a job, you enter into a mutual contract with your employer. They don’t own your production. You do a job for an agreed upon amount, and can quit whenever you want. “Owned or regulated,” both sound like an infringement of freedom to me as long as you’re not directly hurting another person.

 
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zoogs said:
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For those who don't know, /pol/ is the politics board of 4chan.

For those who don't know, 4chan is like the anus of the internet.

 
GBR0988 said:
When you get a job, you enter into a mutual contract with your employer. They don’t own your production. You do a job for an agreed upon amount, and can quit whenever you want. “Owned or regulated,” both sound like an infringement of freedom to me as long as you’re not directly hurting another person.
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Try making/inventing something for the company you work for and then tell me who owns the fruit of your labor. The company will own what you produce (your production).

Just because it "sounds like an infringement of freedom" doesn't make it true. Regulating something may actually give you more or less freedom. Like a regulation that doesn't allow a company to kill you by dumping toxic chemicals into the water you drink is more freedom for you and less freedom for the company. Or a regulation that prevents a bank from ripping you off is more freedom for you and less freedom for the bank.

Regardless, my point is that socialism isn't necessarily the state taking over private enterprise.

 
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knapplc said:
The Democrats are mostly irrelevant. They've stagnated and become an also-ran party.  Their ideas are old and their candidates are unappealing.  They continue to prop up uninspiring figures like Pelosi & Schumer.

Frankly, I can't stand either of the two political parties in America today.  But the Republicans are much better villains to talk about now.  As villains, the Democrats are pretty milquetoast.
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How would you feel about a Biden/young Dem ticket for 2020?

 
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