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[Mierin]

Hitler isn't a perfect fall back, it's the stereotypical fall back.  Anti vs Pro is always going to be different, obviously.  But would this had ever been an issue had someone made a Hillary avatar and Dewiz complained about it?  f#&% no, he would have been made fun of and that would have been the correct end of it.

Hillary isn't blatantly racist or sexist.

And I think the mods would have reacted the same exact way if anyone complained about being forced to see her mug.

We're having 2 different conversations here. One about what the mods should do and one about the difference between the 2 types of avatars. Like I said, if I was a mod I'd ban both or neither. I also don't think the mods share my opinion about the 2 types of avatars. I think they didn't really notice, or not enough of them noticed for it to be brought up.

 

[Thanks_Tom RR]

Except this was a rule made on the fly targeting a specific member, inadvertently or not.

Wrong. The issue with one avatar content raised the issue about all avatar content (not to mention other aspects of profile content that appear in posts). The rule is not Dewiz can’t have politically based avatar content, but his case made our mod team evaluate our enforcement of a policy and create a precedent that was immediately enacted for all board members. She is not complaining about it, but you can see @NM11046 has also changed her avatar, for example.

 

[Cdog923]

Lol yeah, NOW everyone is forced....after he was made an example of because he became the target.  Come on, don't act dense.

As has already been stated by the mods: it's a natural progression from the "no P&R content outside of the P&R forum". I'm sorry you are having a difficult time with this change. 

 

[Redux]

Meh, not gonna die on this hill.  I'm not stating the mods purposely targeted Dewiz.  I'm merely pointing out that this was a direct result of his avatar and had zero to do with the other side of the aisle.  It inadvertently makes a statement towards how political issues will be handled on the board and not in a good way IMO.

@Cdog923 you know exactly the point I'm making, please don't deflect it, and you know I have a valid point.

 

[Cdog923]

Meh, not gonna doe on this hill.  I'm not stating the mods purposely targeted Dewiz.  I'm merely pointing out that this was a direct result of his avatar and had zero to do with the other side of the aisle.  It inadvertently makes a statement towards how political issues will be handled on the board and not in a good way IMO.

@Cdog923 you know exactly the point I'm making, please don't deflect it, and you know I have a valid point.

There's no deflection because what you are saying doesn't make a lot of sense. This action by the mods would make a statement on how political issues would be handled if only Dewiz was being forced to change his avatar, but he's not. His is the avatar that elicited the complaint, so yes, it is a direct result of his actions. However, had someone complained about a Never Trump avatar, you would have seen the same decision made. 

 

[Thanks_Tom RR]

Meh, not gonna die on this hill.  I'm not stating the mods purposely targeted Dewiz.  I'm merely pointing out that this was a direct result of his avatar and had zero to do with the other side of the aisle.  It inadvertently makes a statement towards how political issues will be handled on the board and not in a good way IMO.

@Cdog923 you know exactly the point I'm making, please don't deflect it, and you know I have a valid point.

Yes, it was a direct result of his avatar. More apt, it was the direct result of someone reporting his avatar. In our debate of the report it was concluded that content which is featured in posts and updates should not include political content.

There is no inadventent meaning about how political issues will be handled on this board based on this decision. If that is what you conclude, then you are not filtering through the logic of this decision and may be allowing a personal bias of your own political affliliations to enter into your interpretation.

Political content in avatars was not previously debated by the mod team (or at least to the extent that I can recall). Thus, when a report forced us to consider avatar content, a decision had to be made. Simple as that. In fact, based on the conversation that the mod team had, I feel confident that the same conclusion would have been made if say @NM11046’s previous anti-Trump avatar was reported.

 

[Redux]

There's no deflection because what you are saying doesn't make a lot of sense. This action by the mods would make a statement on how political issues would be handled if only Dewiz was being forced to change his avatar, but he's not. His is the avatar that elicited the complaint, so yes, it is a direct result of his actions. However, had someone complained about a Never Trump avatar, you would have seen the same decision made. 

It was a result of Dewiz, as confirmed above.

A direct result of his "actions".  A Trump picture avatar, pretty hardcore "actions".

Maybe, maybe not.  I honestly question whether the same conclusion happens or not based solely off reputation.  Let's be frank here.  Dewiz catches a lot of flak for his affiliation, so this decision seemed to happen much more swiftly.

 

[Redux]

Yes, it was a direct result of his avatar. More apt, it was the direct result of someone reporting his avatar. In our debate of the report it was concluded that content which is featured in posts and updates should not include political content.

There is no inadventent meaning about how political issues will be handled on this board based on this decision. If that is what you conclude, then you are not filtering through the logic of this decision and may be allowing a personal bias of your own political affliliations to enter into your interpretation.

Political content in avatars was not previously debated by the mod team (or at least to the extent that I can recall). Thus, when a report forced us to consider avatar content, a decision had to be made. Simple as that. In fact, based on the conversation that the mod team had, I feel confident that the same conclusion would have been made if say @NM11046’s previous anti-Trump avatar was reported.

Great!  It shouldn't! Couldn't agree more.

You're pretty off the mark here...

Yes, that's my original point.  It looked like a lot of posters who typically have strong counterpoint to any right wing posts got upset that it wasn't something they could directly respond to in any other way than b!^@h about it.  So they did and a new rule was put in place.  And maybe the same decision gets made in your what if scenario.  But again, no Pro Trumpers complained about it even though they could have.

 

[Thanks_Tom RR]

It was a result of Dewiz, as confirmed above.

A direct result of his "actions".  A Trump picture avatar, pretty hardcore "actions".

Maybe, maybe not.  I honestly question whether the same conclusion happens or not based solely off reputation.  Let's be frank here.  Dewiz catches a lot of flak for his affiliation, so this decision seemed to happen much more swiftly.

I will take it as a complement to the mod team that a decision was made swiftly. That points to an active and attentive mod team (slow clap for the rest of mod team). Really though, you seem convinced that our decision had some biased intent, despite someone who was present and participated in that decision telling you the exact opposite. So, fair play and have a good night.

 

[Redux]

you seem convinced that our decision had some biased intent, despite someone who was present and participated in that decision telling you the exact opposite.

Except....

Yes, it was a direct result of his avatar. More apt, it was the direct result of someone reporting his avatar. In our debate of the report it was concluded that content which is featured in posts and updates should not include political content.

As I said above, inadvertently or not, it does kinda specifically target him.  He did something pretty harmless honestly.  It had about as much effect as the Roxy thread on people, yet she was allowed to keep her thread.  Dewiz, and everyone else as a result, can not have the avatar of their political choosing.

I'm not politically biased here, I'm merely interested in fairness across the board.  And that specifically means against political bias interfering with board decisions.

And for the record you and the Mods have an absolutely thankless job and do damn fine in the role.

 

[knapplc]

Can we all agree that whoever "brought it to the Mods' attention" are douchebags?.... Because they are. 

That was me. I messaged a mod about Dewiz' status and his avatar.

I've been a mod. As the current mods are more than happy to tell you, action is often taken based on someone's body of work. I happen to know a great deal about Dewiz' body of work, having dealt with him NUMEROUS times. He was given chance after chance after chance, and frankly, should have been banned years and years ago. He's a bully and he continues to be a bully. We have been tolerant with him and he does not repay that to members in kind.

I have zero qualms about my report, and I'd do it again.

You're welcome.

 

[Apathy]

That was me. I messaged a mod about Dewiz' status and his avatar.

I've been a mod. As the current mods are more than happy to tell you, action is often taken based on someone's body of work. I happen to know a great deal about Dewiz' body of work, having dealt with him NUMEROUS times. He was given chance after chance after chance, and frankly, should have been banned years and years ago. He's a bully and he continues to be a bully.

I have zero qualms about my report, and I'd do it again.

You're welcome.

Doesn’t surprise me for a guy that got bent out of shape over Roxy’s thread 

 

[ZRod]

I wish we could have whatever avatar we wanted. I get the rule change, and it's fine as long as it's enforced equally (which the modes are doing), but let's not pretend for a minute that Drwiz isn't trolling the retarded liberal to trigger their little snowflake safespace feelings. There's a pretty clear pattern to anyone who has payed attention, and when his bulls#!t gets called out he always falls back on the "lol I triggered the snowflakes and I'm being persecuted for it" schtick. 

Grow the f#&% up.

 

[knapplc]

Nice avatar. You're like a child who cannot stand not getting his way. When are you going to grow up?

And yes, I reported this one, too. And yes, I took a screen shot before I reported it.

 

[Danny Bateman]

There's no government entity at work here, though.  

And it's being applied to everyone that falls under it's purview. If Dewiz was forced to change his avatar and no one else, you'd have an argument. 

The 1A talk was a bit of an ancillary to the discussion at hand. I realize the mods are under no obligation to provide anybody a platform to say jack diddly.