The P&R Plague Thread (Covid-19)

[funhusker]

We can't control what China does. People who blame anyone in the U.S. for the disease existing are stupid, but our leadership is a factor in how bad things can get. I'm fine with placing 50% of the blame for the mask shortage on Obama, but neither administration managed to replenish them. Trump's had 3 years and his administration was also warned that it was needed. So they are both to blame for seemingly not attempting to pass a law with funding for it or do an executive order (not sure if that would have worked for it as I don't really understand what can and cannot be done with an executive order).

I didn't read the article, but I have to assume the implication is that they are silencing people so news of more deaths doesn't get out. I doubt anyone thinks that many people have died.

There were many explanations given in the article.  The headline definitely makes it seem like they are claiming 21M lives, but the article does claim otherwise...

 

[teachercd]

There were many explanations given in the article.  The headline definitely makes it seem like they are claiming 21M lives, but the article does claim otherwise...

Maybe they just had Cricket service...

 

[QMany]

In case you needed more proof that Mitch McConnell is a bad-faith @ss goblin who primarily wants to score political points.

And Senators had time to unload millions of dollars in stocks, so let’s just cut this BS now. 

 

[ZRod]

And there would've been WAY less deaths had China not covered this whole thing up.  But yes lets blame past administration for lack of equipment and current for....whatever the hell they do.  Spekaing of China:

https://www.usapoliticstoday.org/21-million-chinese-cellphone-users-disappear-three-months-pandemic/

China is going to do what China does. All we can do is react. Do you think we've done a good or bad job of reacting?

 

[Redux]

China is going to do what China does. All we can do is react. Do you think we've done a good or bad job of reacting?

Given that China tried passing the blame after hiding it, we did better than it could have potentially gone.  Long term it's harder to say, but the curve isn't being kind to us right now.

 

[Redux]

It's sad that you didn't even look before posting this in the forum.  It shows you really, really need help on researching sources.

What's sad is you CONTINUE to interact with me after I have made it very clear I value your opinion as much as I value Monopoly money.  Please, from the very BOTTOM of my heart, understand that this exact post will be my absolute final one responding to anything you do or say.  You do not exist past this.  Tah tah.

 

[Nebfanatic]

What's sad is you CONTINUE to interact with me after I have made it very clear I value your opinion as much as I value Monopoly money.  Please, from the very BOTTOM of my heart, understand that this exact post will be my absolute final one responding to anything you do or say.  You do not exist past this.  Tah tah.

The fact that your source is completely false isn't an opinion 

 

[Redux]

The fact that your source is completely false isn't an opinion 

It's not a "source", these aren't scoops, we aren't journalists.  We are people on a free sports message board.  I had that article shared with me, and I shared it here.  Simple as that.  If someone wants to fact check it and try to spin it a different way based off where it originated, be my guest.  What I take exception to is the pomposity.  The particular case above is one I've grown quite tired of over the years.

I will say that regardless of the validity of the claims of the article, anyone who actually believes the numbers coming out of China....... :lol:

 

[FrantzHardySwag]

It's not a "source", these aren't scoops, we aren't journalists.  We are people on a free sports message board.  I had that article shared with me, and I shared it here.  Simple as that.  If someone wants to fact check it and try to spin it a different way based off where it originated, be my guest.  What I take exception to is the pomposity.  The particular case above is one I've grown quite tired of over the years.

I will say that regardless of the validity of the claims of the article, anyone who actually believes the numbers coming out of China....... :lol:

I believe China’s numbers like I believe Trumps numbers.  27 million tested and 0 cases by today according to our own leader. Trust science, don’t trust these d!(k heads trying to stay in power. 

 

[RedDenver]

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[Redux]

I believe China’s numbers like I believe Trumps numbers.  27 million tested and 0 cases by today according to our own leader. Trust science, don’t trust these d!(k heads trying to stay in power. 

Trusting Trump has zero to do with China downplaying how severe the situation is over there.

 

[knapplc]

It's sad that you didn't even look before posting this in the forum.  It shows you really, really need help on researching sources.

There are people who simply choose to believe lies because those lies are more comforting than the truth.

A.R. Moxon said it well in this thread.


Conservative media, Trump, the far right, all peddle these comforting lies to people who crave that comfort. They consume it without thinking, and when that lie has been laid bare and a new lie is wallpapered over the old one, they choose to believe that lie as well, ignoring the more painful truth.

 

[ZRod]

Trusting Trump has zero to do with China downplaying how severe the situation is over there.

And China "downplaying" has almost zero to do with our long term lack of preparation for pandemics in general through multiple administrations.

We knew in January that China had shut their citizen in. That should have set off alarm bells right there.

 

[Enhance]

I know this is sort of a macabre way of thinking, but I've been wondering if we'll hit a point where the negative impacts the virus is having on the economy trumps (no pun intended) the death toll. Meaning... people sort of hit a level of acceptance that people are going to die and other things need to get back on track.

I saw something yesterday that Uber may not make it past August/September if things stay as they are because 70% of their revenue is based of rides and nobody is going anywhere (don't have the source handy). News companies (essential businesses) are furloughing employees to avoid going under because advertisers have pulled back. And last night on KETV, they reported some economists think the unemployment rate could rise as high as 32%.

To be clear, I'm NOT advocating for this mentality. It seems more fitting for a movie plot than real life. But I've already heard this viewpoint get expressed from some pockets of the world/country.

 

[Mierin]

I know this is sort of a macabre way of thinking, but I've been wondering if we'll hit a point where the negative impacts the virus is having on the economy trumps (no pun intended) the death toll. Meaning... people sort of hit a level of acceptance that people are going to die and other things need to get back on track.

I saw something yesterday that Uber may not make it past August/September if things stay as they are because 70% of their revenue is based of rides and nobody is going anywhere (don't have the source handy). News companies (essential businesses) are furloughing employees to avoid going under because advertisers have pulled back. And last night on KETV, they reported some economists think the unemployment rate could rise as high as 32%.

To be clear, I'm NOT advocating for this mentality. It seems more fitting for a movie plot than real life. But I've already heard this viewpoint get expressed from some pockets of the world/country.

We have to try to catch up on our capacity to deal with the sick people, but then once we catch up and open things up, more people will get sick and we’ll again not have the capacity. 

I think we’ll get to a point where we open things up then close then open again and rotate until we get a vaccine.