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Landlord said:
In the face of state sanctioned injustice, civil disobedience is absolutely a virtue.

I've not seen one single person actually say that, or even hint at believing that.

But if you'd count me in this camp of a caricatured perspective, I'm at the Atlanta protests. 
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Be safe...post pics!

 
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JJ Husker said:
It boils down to a couple things. I am frustrated with way too many things and I've lost hope that any of them will ever get better.

I'm frustrated that racism is still a thing. 50+ years of lawful equality yet things are not equal. Cops are still killing black men for no good reason. The protests are well founded and necessary but each and every time they turn violent and destructive I see years of progress, that we've already made, disappear. And it is inevitable. This is how it works. Protesters are doing the right thing and at the same time it is undermining the cause. That is a pretty hopeless realization. And it sickens me that we have large swaths of people in this country that revel in the hatred and chaos. I have a niece with a two black children. Their father (a great guy) died unexpectedly about the time this pandemic began. They were unable to have any memorial service because of the quarantine. I worry about the obstacles they and their white mother will have to endure. So yeah, I get a little angry when people on a message board think they know me and attribute false claims about my motives. I simply don't see how riots are going to help the problem or them. Protests yes, riots no. There are way too many innocent people being hurt and more that will get hurt. That isn't meant to discount the George Floyd's, it's just reality.

There might be some hope, some easing of the frustration if we had any leadership we could trust but we don't. We have the worst President in the history of human beings and the most ineffective and useless government imaginable. Where is the hope? The best leadership I've seen in this whole ordeal has been a couple press releases from college football coaches. That is a sad situation for this country to be in.

So yeah, I got frustrated and upset with some of our P&R regulars when they began pushing an agenda of more police brutality in the protests. Not because that brutality is right or should be condoned but because it is inevitable when there is absolutely nobody that is going to stop it. What is changing? What can change quick enough? A police chief somewhere got fired. Yeah, that'll solve the problem. All we have to look forward to is more rioting, more businesses being lost, more sh#t that is going to drag this country down further. And there is no hope on the horizon. Look at the clowns running for president. One of those useless empty suits is going to be elected. If it's the same one, more of the same. If it's the other one, the roles will reverse and it will be more the same. Basically this country sucks and is f#cked for as far as I can see.
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Then maybe stop white-knighting the police in every post, stop implying the protesters are at fault in every post, and stop going postal on people who see things differently than you.

 
knapplc said:
Then maybe stop white-knighting the police in every post, stop implying the protesters are at fault in every post, and stop going postal on people who see things differently than you.
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Stop. Please. You are embarrassing yourself. Even after everything you've said about me in the preceding posts, I feel sorry for you. Your reading comprehension and tone meter is way out of whack. You simply aren't understanding me, either by inability or by choice.

 
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Landlord said:
In the face of state sanctioned injustice, civil disobedience is absolutely a virtue.

I've not seen one single person actually say that, or even hint at believing that.

But if you'd count me in this camp of a caricatured perspective, I'm at the Atlanta protests. 
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Yes, civil disobedience and peaceful protesting is a virtue, and is necessary at this time and many previous times. But we may have to agree to disagree on the virtues of hurling bricks at police, destroying and vandalizing property and looting stores. Maybe I’m a pu$$y but when that stuff starts, it would be time for me to disassociate myself from the mob. I will try pretty hard to avoid being in a position to get hit with teargas or a rubber bullet or to place myself in a position to get hammered by a cop who has put up with that sh#t for the last few hours and understandably may snap at any moment.

The funny thing is, my original post, that sent knapp off the rails, was primarily aimed at you. Maybe I mistook some of your comments about the rioting and insurance covering the damage but it sure seemed liked you didn’t have much concern about any of that. Personally, I think when that stuff occurs, it makes the real message much harder for many to accept and align with. So no, I don’t like when protests devolve into uncontrolled rioting.

Be safe and peacefully protest.

 
JJ Husker said:
But we may have to agree to disagree on the virtues of hurling bricks at police, destroying and vandalizing property and looting stores.
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Literally no one is saying this is OK. That you continue to misunderstand this explains why I've been riding your a$$ these last two days. That you claim it's *my* inability to understand you is laughable. Look at what you're saying. Stop saying that. It's a straw man and you look like a fool every time you do this.

JJ Husker said:
Maybe I’m a pu$$y but when that stuff starts, it would be time for me to disassociate myself from the mob. I will try pretty hard to avoid being in a position to get hit with teargas or a rubber bullet or to place myself in a position to get hammered by a cop
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We've posted literally dozens of videos showing peaceful protesters who have been attacked by police.  What the actual hell are you looking at when we post those? Are you not actually watching them so you can jump on your high horse to defend the police in your kneejerk way?

JJ Husker said:
by a cop who has put up with that sh#t for the last few hours and understandably may snap at any moment.
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Ope! Yep! You are. Here you go again.

JJ Husker said:
The funny thing is, my original post, that sent knapp off the rails
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No, you going off the rails, ignoring what people are showing you, always defending the actions of the cops, is what you're getting pushback for. That you continue to misunderstand this is dead on your brand. Not even BRI is defending the police like you are.

 
JJ Husker said:
But we may have to agree to disagree on the virtues of hurling bricks at police, destroying and vandalizing property and looting stores.
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lol dude....no, we do not have to disagree on whether this is virtuous.

JJ Husker said:
Maybe I mistook some of your comments about the rioting and insurance covering the damage but it sure seemed liked you didn’t have much concern about any of that.
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That's on you, I've made it pretty clear that while I do hate to see the violence as I'm committed to non-violence, I certainly don't care about violence against property/city nearly as much as I care about centuries worth of violence against black people. I'm against both, but I'm way way way more against one than the other.

But you're not really listening.

 
knapplc said:
Literally no one is saying this is OK. That you continue to misunderstand this explains why I've been riding your a$$ these last two days. That you claim it's *my* inability to understand you is laughable. Look at what you're saying. Stop saying that. It's a straw man and you look like a fool every time you do this.

We've posted literally dozens of videos showing peaceful protesters who have been attacked by police.  What the actual hell are you looking at when we post those? Are you not actually watching them so you can jump on your high horse to defend the police in your kneejerk way?

Ope! Yep! You are. Here you go again.

No, you going off the rails, ignoring what people are showing you, always defending the actions of the cops, is what you're getting pushback for. That you continue to misunderstand this is dead on your brand. Not even BRI is defending the police like you are.
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Ummm, literally thousands of people are saying it is okay...because thousands of people are out there rioting and looting.

 
RedDenver said:
Do you have evidence of this? Or is it thousands of protesters and a few rioters and looters?
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Well, when I type in rioting and looting into Ask Jeeves, it comes up with a lot of videos of people smashing car windows, store windows, lighting fires to property...In about 5-6 different states.  Now, I did not freeze the video and start counting (I am doing that later when my Netscape is back up and running) each person but when I gave it the old eye test it sure seemed like thousands.  Which, just for fun, we can say thousands means, 2,000 or more.  

So, no, I don't think it is a few...unless...what is your definition of a few?

 
knapplc said:
Literally no one is saying this is OK. That you continue to misunderstand this explains why I've been riding your a$$ these last two days. That you claim it's *my* inability to understand you is laughable. Look at what you're saying. Stop saying that. It's a straw man and you look like a fool every time you do this.

We've posted literally dozens of videos showing peaceful protesters who have been attacked by police.  What the actual hell are you looking at when we post those? Are you not actually watching them so you can jump on your high horse to defend the police in your kneejerk way?

Ope! Yep! You are. Here you go again.

No, you going off the rails, ignoring what people are showing you, always defending the actions of the cops, is what you're getting pushback for. That you continue to misunderstand this is dead on your brand. Not even BRI is defending the police like you are.
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Landlord said:
lol dude....no, we do not have to disagree on whether this is virtuous.

That's on you, I've made it pretty clear that while I do hate to see the violence as I'm committed to non-violence, I certainly don't care about violence against property/city nearly as much as I care about centuries worth of violence against black people. I'm against both, but I'm way way way more against one than the other.

But you're not really listening.
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All I have to get on for you two is the majority of what I see you post. I don't want to go down the schoolyard playground route but, my defense of the cops was in direct response to the attacks already underway. Yes, many of those cops were out of line. Many more were simply having a normal human response to the stress of the situation. And some, some of those videos and links claiming unprovoked, unwarned attacks on peaceful protesters were complete bullsh#t. I know for a fact that whiner guy on the news was full of sh#t. I was watching his live coverage. He had an agenda and played it up for who knows what reason. Maybe because he didn't retreat and disperse and got gassed and allegedly took a rubber bullet to the knee. Why were there no protesters between him and the cops who were still over half a block away. He should be reporting on the event, not being so stupid and belligerent that HE becomes the news. Numerous other of those clips were so brief and edited, with outlandish claims, it causes me to doubt their veracity. When a protest turns into a riot there are going to be bad actors on both sides. As BRI said, they aren't machines. So yeah, I accept some of their bad behavior as inevitable, just as I accept protests like these will often turn violent. It's disingenuous to claim one side is more at fault. In certain situations, yes, but not overall and not generally. We all saw what happened the one night Minneapolis police let the protesters completely go uncontested. There wasn't a cop on the street anywhere. So, why was that the most destructive night of all? Kind of shoots holes in the claims that the cops are inciting all the destruction.

But I don't listen. Yet all you are able to take away from what I just said is white knighting for the police. Check the log in your own eye.

 
teachercd said:
Well, when I type in rioting and looting into Ask Jeeves, it comes up with a lot of videos of people smashing car windows, store windows, lighting fires to property...In about 5-6 different states.  Now, I did not freeze the video and start counting (I am doing that later when my Netscape is back up and running) each person but when I gave it the old eye test it sure seemed like thousands.  Which, just for fun, we can say thousands means, 2,000 or more.  

So, no, I don't think it is a few...unless...what is your definition of a few?
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Huh, I did the exact same thing and saw tens of thousands of peaceful protesters and only a hundred-ish looters/rioters.

 
JJ Husker said:
All I have to get on for you two is the majority of what I see you post. I don't want to go down the schoolyard playground route but, my defense of the cops was in direct response to the attacks already underway. Yes, many of those cops were out of line. Many more were simply having a normal human response to the stress of the situation. And some, some of those videos and links claiming unprovoked, unwarned attacks on peaceful protesters were complete bullsh#t. I know for a fact that whiner guy on the news was full of sh#t. I was watching his live coverage. He had an agenda and played it up for who knows what reason. Maybe because he didn't retreat and disperse and got gassed and allegedly took a rubber bullet to the knee. Why were there no protesters between him and the cops who were still over half a block away. He should be reporting on the event, not being so stupid and belligerent that HE becomes the news. Numerous other of those clips were so brief and edited, with outlandish claims, it causes me to doubt their veracity. When a protest turns into a riot there are going to be bad actors on both sides. As BRI said, they aren't machines. So yeah, I accept some of their bad behavior as inevitable, just as I accept protests like these will often turn violent. It's disingenuous to claim one side is more at fault. In certain situations, yes, but not overall and not generally. We all saw what happened the one night Minneapolis police let the protesters completely go uncontested. There wasn't a cop on the street anywhere. So, why was that the most destructive night of all? Kind of shoots holes in the claims that the cops are inciting all the destruction.

But I don't listen. Yet all you are able to take away from what I just said is white knighting for the police. Check the log in your own eye.
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Why is it ok for the police to shoot at a guy with a microphone and camera crew that's posing no threat to anyone? Who were the police protecting or serving by doing that?

 
JJ Husker said:
And there is no hope on the horizon. Look at the clowns running for president. One of those useless empty suits is going to be elected. If it's the same one, more of the same. If it's the other one, the roles will reverse and it will be more the same. Basically this country sucks and is f#cked for as far as I can see.
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I can appreciate your frustrations and I share many of them.

But on this we must diverge.

The course of this madness has done nothing but strengthen my resolve and my excitement to vote for Biden in November. 

Sure, it's a short-term play because he's got lots of flaws and won't fix everything all at once with a snap of his fingers. 

But he's exactly what we need in this moment. He's a kind and humble and compassionate and empathetic and generally honest human being. He's the anti-Trump and he's proving it in how he's out there reacting to our current crisis. His speech this morning was very powerful. 

 
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