Tangent Thread - P&R Edition

Enhance said:
Here's the call-to-action: we are going to start handing out warnings if people can't keep the politics out of this discussion. You know what I'm talking about. Use your judgement. If you think something you want to say will put you in hot water, please either don't say it or find a home for it in P&R.
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Please see the last several posts by @84HuskerLaw in this thread. kthxbye

 
Archy1221 said:
My data is looking at, researching, and reading journals/case studies on Covid-19 reporting figures and how  a country classifies a Covid-19 death in the US vs how they classify one in Canada, or India, or Russia, or Bolivia, UK or any other country that reports Covid-19 deaths. If you thinks it’s all the same then your crazy.  
and BTw..I didn’t say anything at all about case numbers. So why bring it up to me?

I live in the US and disagree with you because your promoting a false narrative with comparing death numbers between countries without giving proper context into what constitutes a death to be considered a Covid-19 death.  
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"false narrative"

Alt-right deflection playbook #3 (?)  (I'm not sure of the order you guys use in your playbook).

So based upon your reply you have no data. 

Just as I expected.  You do live in alt-US.

Seriously - I know there is more wrapped into this.  But all you do is say "all your numbers suck since they don't agree with my political views".  And then don't provide any information beyond your "feels" to refute them.

 
Rochelobe said:
"false narrative"

Alt-right deflection playbook #3 (?)  (I'm not sure of the order you guys use in your playbook).

So based upon your reply you have no data. 

Just as I expected.  You do live in alt-US.

Seriously - I know there is more wrapped into this.  But all you do is say "all your numbers suck since they don't agree with my political views".  And then don't provide any information beyond your "feels" to refute them.
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I’m not alt-right and your going to the tried and true liberal Alinsky playbook of name calling when your argument is no longer valid.  
 

I’m also not sure how you can’t comprehend how each country counts a Covid-19 death differently based on death certificate and autopsy findings (if there even is one).  It’s not a numbers chart that’s easily posted so your aware. 
 

I provided you with a link to Europe’s current situation when I said their situation is genius when others on the board say it’s under control and the EU is so much better at this than us. Is that data??   Or is it just data you don’t like so you pretend it’s not there.  
 

since you can’t think for yourself,

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/coronavirus-counting-the-dead-different-countries-russia-usa-tajikistan-belgium/30624320.html
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/52311014
 

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

many more at the tip of your finger.  You just need to get your head out of the sand and actually look, instead of being as a$$ and calling people alt-right, which you well know is also associated with racist organizations. So stop being that liberal guy that’s cries racist when said liberal loses the position he is arguing.  
 

Happy learning and hope you got a tad smarter after reading the articles.  Good day to you. 

 
Archy1221 said:
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/rapid-response-was-crucial-containing-1918-flu-pandemic
 

what was done by the federal government in 1918-1919 that we didn’t do this time? 

from the article posted by the NIH.  
 

“If St. Louis had waited another week or two, they might have fared the same as Philadelphia, says the lead author on the first study, Richard Hatchett, M.D., an associate director for emergency preparedness at NIAID. Despite the fact that these cities had dramatically different outcomes early on, all the cities in the survey ultimately experienced significant epidemics because, in the absence of an effective vaccine, the virus continued to spread or recurred as cities relaxed their restrictions.”

cities that had things under control, relaxed restrictions, and spread then continued.  Unless you want to be locked down until an effective vaccine is commercially available, this is what happens with a highly contagious virus.  
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I think the main difference is that in 1918 the Federal government was supportive of the efforts the states did to control things, instead of holding "press conferences" that instead fed misinformation to the public.  Had the current administration been supportive of what each state was doing early on in March and April instead of talking about "hoaxes", there is the distinct possibility that the hoax-believers and anti-maskers would have been more willing to comply.  At least some of them. 

 
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Rochelobe said:
I think the main difference is that in 1918 the Federal government was supportive of the efforts the state's did to control things, instead of holding "press conferences" that instead fed misinformation to the public.  Had the current administration been supportive of what each state was doing early on in March and April instead of talking about "hoaxes", there is the distinct possibility that the hoax-believers and anti-maskers would have been more willing to comply.  At least some of them. 
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Oh got it.  So the CNN, NYT, FoxNews, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, WaPo news stories in Feb and March and even into early April about how masks weren’t effective and Covid-19 isn’t as bad as the flu helped the situation!?  The talking head doctors on TV saying masks weren’t effective early on didn’t seed people’s minds about trust.  So the early wrong info about contagion from WHO, CDC made people trust them more.  
 

Look, we both agree, masks are important, social distance when you can’t wear masks, and protect the most vulnerable.  We disagree on keeping things locked down till a vaccine, and that the US could have stopped this early.  I believe the response could have been better, but we weren’t going to stop it.  Let’s move on to football discussions. 
 

by the way, You asked for data so have you looked at the data I provided.  Thoughts??  If you have them, let me know if the P&R board. 

 
HuskerNation1 said:
Sorry, people getting hair cuts is not the cause of this decision.  Perhaps the mass protests/riots along with those partying on beaches could be a better source of blame. But, the so called experts (including Fauci) have given inconsistent guidelines from the beginning, and I get that this has been a "novel" virus, but once this virus was allowed to escape China and infect most other countries around the globe, there was little that could have prevented this outbreak.  Regardless. the "experts" stated the goal at the beginning was to flatten the curve and not to prevent anyone from getting it.  In many locations the curve has been flattened, and when there is a flare up those have also come back down.  The BIG's risk management approach to this topic appears to be complete avoidance as opposed to a more balanced mitigation approach.  If they are taking these drastic measures for fall sports, they also better do only remote learning and not have any students in dorms, cafeterias or other common areas.
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BS.

Way too many people in this country (including the person being nice at the top) has thought all along that his is a hoax and it's all going to go away by Easter and this is just a made up liberal conspiracy to...bla bla bla bla....

Sorry to get political here, but that's where this lies.  This entire pandemic is NOT a hoax but one side has continually said it is and cried and whined about their constitutional rights.  They've made up conspiracy theories like Fauci created the virus...etc.  

THAT is where the blame lies along with the followers that feed right into it.  

Until Americans pull their heads out of their asses and actually listen to science and stop politicizing everything...this is the type of thing we are going to get.

I know this is either going to get moved or I'm going to get a warning....but blaming who you are blaming is just flat out wrong.  period.  Look at other countries around the world that don't have their collective heads stuck up their collective backsides as far as we do.  That should prove the correct answer.

I DO agree with the bolded.  The college presidents are proving to be idiots and hypocrites if they don't.

 
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BIG ERN said:
What about the blame at the state level? Things that usually matter are local. Always Trump this and that. Of course he didn't do a great job, but these clowns who control the state's decisions have been all over the place. 
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At the timeI thought Trumps plan to toss it back to the states was pretty solid. In hindsight, probably should have been more uniform. 

 
BigRedBuster said:
BS.

Way too many people in this country (including the person being nice at the top) has thought all along that his is a hoax and it's all going to go away by Easter and this is just a made up liberal conspiracy to...bla bla bla bla....

Sorry to get political here, but that's where this lies.  This entire pandemic is NOT a hoax but one side has continually said it is and cried and whined about their constitutional rights.  They've made up conspiracy theories like Fauci created the virus...etc.  

THAT is where the blame lies along with the followers that feed right into it.  

Until Americans pull their heads out of their asses and actually listen to science and stop politicizing everything...this is the type of thing we are going to get.

I know this is either going to get moved or I'm going to get a warning....but blaming who you are blaming is just flat out wrong.  period.  Look at other countries around the world that don't have their collective heads stuck up their collective backsides as far as we do.  That should prove the correct answer.

I DO agree with the bolded.  The college presidents are proving to be idiots and hypocrites if they don't.
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I don't really want to get into your political BS/Biases on here, but unfortunately the sporting world has now become political with BLM and now this Pandemic.  The reality is that all leaders and so called scientists have been wrong at some point this year.  Biden blasted the ban on China travel early and called it xenophobic. Pelosi will still promoting gatherings in San Francisco after the virus was on our shores.  Trump has been wrong and right during these past six months.  Red and blue governors have been wrong including NY where many in nursing homes died due to poor leadership.   With all that said, no President of either party could have prevented this from coming to the US and spreading in the US as China failed to tell the US and the world.  The virus is here, its here to stay (even after a vaccine arrives), and now its a matter of how we choose to deal with the risk. 

One approach (like what Sweden did) is to ask those who are deemed the highest risk to quarantine and stay home, and empower others not deemed high risk to make their own personal choices.  The other approach is to force schools, sports and others not in a high risk group to be locked down which would decrease their chances of physcially getting the virus, but increase their chances to have financial or psychological effects (addiction, depression, anxiety, suicide, etc..).  If the goal is to allow Americans to continue living their lives while trying to keep the curve flattened, option 1 would work. If the goal is to focus solely on reducing the transmission of the virus while ignoring economic and psychological impacts, Option 2 would be the route to go.  The BIG has chosen Option 2, and I strongly disagree with that decision.  I believe that if players and teams are willing to take that risk, they should be able to play other teams that are willing to take the risk.  

 
Notre Dame Joe said:
That's a good reason of why we have federalism.  Michigan is not Nebraska which is not New York.  One size does not fit all.

If we had a centralized authority for everything it would amount to New York running everything with some help with California.
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You're right.  One size doesn't fit all.  But, that doesn't absolve the top leadership of the country of blame.  You can still be a leader and help come up with a national plan that is flexible for various areas.

When I buy a shirt....there's lots of sizes.  But, the basic plan is the same and it's modified to what I need.

 
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krc1995 said:
Is he a moderator again? 
 

who cares what he says. The issues are intertwined. A real moderator said that they were giving some leeway on this thread so it doesn’t spread all over the board. 
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Yes it appears my comments in a response to BRB were removed.  I agree that the Pandemic, which is the reason we were given that football is not going to be played, is political in nature. How can it not be at this point. There are politics in every organization including the BIG leadership team. 

 
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