Huge Dilemma

The Scarlet Pimpernel said:
If Frost is retained, I have zero doubt in my mind that his decision will be to play Martinez, expecting the results to be different. They won't be.

If I were Trev and actually considering keeping Frost, the two things I'd require him to do would be: 1) replace all of the crappy assistants (there are many); and 2) get a new QB from the portal.
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I think the portal should be visited for a QB whether Martinez stays or goes. The idea of trying to bring Max Duggan home is really appealing. - Again though- no QB who thinks they are worthy of being starter is going to come in and fight an entrenched 5 year starter for the job. If Martinez comes back, a transfer QB won't happen. If a transfer comes in and wins the job, but has 2-3 years eligibility Smothers will transfer. Just the way it goes with QBs these days. 

 
I don't see how Frost can be retained at 3-9 (1-8) on a six game losing streak. He's going to have to beat somebody to give himself a chance to be retained. 

 
Oldhuskerfan said:
At the end of the day this is a systemic problem. You solve one problem another one is there- the proverbial Dutch boy with his finger in the dike problem. Well coached teams in the aggregate don’t have multiple players consistently making those types of errors. 
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Yes, the Big 10 kicker of the year suddenly becoming the worst kicker on the team is systemic??? You can't replace the problems if you  don't have quality depth behind them. We are just getting to the point of having quality depth. 

 
The reality is look at the data.  In year 4, Frost simply loses better.  hasn't beaten B1G team with a winning record since 2018......If it wasn't Frost, no way in hell that anyone would be having this conversation.  Looking at the optics through his tenure at NU, he is one of the worst coaches in the history of college football.  We have developed limited offensive depth through poor coaching, poor recruiting or transfers,  misses and scheme......Losing guys like Wan'dale and JD speak to internal issues.  

Every team had a Covid year. Every team loses guys.  We have been beaten more times than I can count by the #2 QB or RB.......Red Zone, 1 score games...........Preparation and execution......

If he is kept, how do we get a hot shot staff in here?  If they know Frost is gone in 2023........I'd love to offer Chadwell the job as OC......or Billy Napier........Would they come?  Is a P5 OC a step up from G5 HC?

I just do not know why/how people can spin the complete lack of success in the promise of a better tomorrow.....Maybe Frost shocks the world Sat.  AM finally gets his redemption game....I hope they do.  Because it means my team gets another win...

 
lo country said:
The reality is look at the data.  In year 4, Frost simply loses better.  hasn't beaten B1G team with a winning record since 2018......If it wasn't Frost, no way in hell that anyone would be having this conversation.  Looking at the optics through his tenure at NU, he is one of the worst coaches in the history of college football.  We have developed limited offensive depth through poor coaching, poor recruiting or transfers,  misses and scheme......Losing guys like Wan'dale and JD speak to internal issues.  

Every team had a Covid year. Every team loses guys.  We have been beaten more times than I can count by the #2 QB or RB.......Red Zone, 1 score games...........Preparation and execution......

If he is kept, how do we get a hot shot staff in here?  If they know Frost is gone in 2023........I'd love to offer Chadwell the job as OC......or Billy Napier........Would they come?  Is a P5 OC a step up from G5 HC?

I just do not know why/how people can spin the complete lack of success in the promise of a better tomorrow.....Maybe Frost shocks the world Sat.  AM finally gets his redemption game....I hope they do.  Because it means my team gets another win...
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"Every team loses guys."- by your own rationale, every team has internal issues

limited offensive depth through poor coaching, poor recruiting or transfers, - WR, TE, looks pretty darn good, RB has some better talent- 2 fixes on the line and I think they'll really shine. - QB I've already detailed not going to do it again go back and read. Line depth takes the longest to fix. We're better than we were at 3 out of 5 spots. 

 
Born N Bled Red said:
Yes, the Big 10 kicker of the year suddenly becoming the worst kicker on the team is systemic??? You can't replace the problems if you  don't have quality depth behind them. We are just getting to the point of having quality depth. 
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I look at AM his Fresh year. With Pelini and Riley guys....In 2019 he was a pre-season hypesman.  And then reality crashed in.  Oz was gone, Farmer, Stan, Foster etc....And now he is the punchline for meme's and even announcers calling him out.  He is a 3 year captain and 4 year starter. How does this even happen.  This team under Frost defeats every statistical data point predicting wins....To Culp's wow's....injury and complete lack of ST support maybe played into some of this.  Again.  In year 4, not one single guy waiting in the wings.  By your logic, under Frost we will probably suck most times and only do well in every 4-5 years....The D staff has developed guys....The O has not done one thing that makes me competent in their ability to remain here after this season.  Every year, new RB, new receivers......No depth.

 
Born N Bled Red said:
"Every team loses guys."- by your own rationale, every team has internal issues

limited offensive depth through poor coaching, poor recruiting or transfers, - WR, TE, looks pretty darn good, RB has some better talent- 2 fixes on the line and I think they'll really shine. - QB I've already detailed not going to do it again go back and read. Line depth takes the longest to fix. We're better than we were at 3 out of 5 spots. 
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youre right despite all logic and historical statistics and trends. I believe that Frost is the next TO

 
Born N Bled Red said:
"Every team loses guys."- by your own rationale, every team has internal issues

limited offensive depth through poor coaching, poor recruiting or transfers, - WR, TE, looks pretty darn good, RB has some better talent- 2 fixes on the line and I think they'll really shine. - QB I've already detailed not going to do it again go back and read. Line depth takes the longest to fix. We're better than we were at 3 out of 5 spots. 
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Every team loses guys, but through recruitment and development doesn't have anyone available to replace say an injured QB....or a punter/kicker (which Frost finally did)

Portal guys.......Beckton as the position coach.

And why was Yant crushing it against Purdue and gets 2 touches in the 2nd half.  Or Betts goes MIA....It is just complete mismanagement across the board.... 

I just don't have your optimism anymore.  I think Frost and Co are completely over their heads in the B1G.  Checkers vs chess....

 
Born N Bled Red said:
Yes, the Big 10 kicker of the year suddenly becoming the worst kicker on the team is systemic??? You can't replace the problems if you  don't have quality depth behind them. We are just getting to the point of having quality depth. 
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The coaching staff put in a backup who hit all his kicks against Purdue.

recruiting and developing players in on the coaching staff, it’s literally part of their job description. Then they have to have the skills to determine who plays.

We have 24. Four star players. Purdue and Illinois have less than ten. It’s a coaching problem. 

 
Hedley Lamarr said:
youre right despite all logic and historical statistics and trends. I believe that Frost is the next TO
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Well

At the end of Frosts 4 seasons he will have more league losses than Osborne did in 25 seasons. 
 

if Scott can win 250 league games in a row with no losses over the next 21 seasons he will tie Tom Osborne more or less. That may be kind of tough- but I’m guessing several of the hard core Frost guys will lay out a path. That’s about 13 league wins per season- not sure how he gets there with us winning just 1-3 league games a year right now. 
 

Yep all it takes is getting another kicker out of the portal, a couple of offensive tackles and another year of Martinez getting coached up by Super Mario and we’re home free. 

 
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lo country said:
I look at AM his Fresh year. With Pelini and Riley guys....In 2019 he was a pre-season hypesman.  And then reality crashed in.  Oz was gone, Farmer, Stan, Foster etc....And now he is the punchline for meme's and even announcers calling him out.  He is a 3 year captain and 4 year starter. How does this even happen.  This team under Frost defeats every statistical data point predicting wins....To Culp's wow's....injury and complete lack of ST support maybe played into some of this.  Again.  In year 4, not one single guy waiting in the wings.  By your logic, under Frost we will probably suck most times and only do well in every 4-5 years....The D staff has developed guys....The O has not done one thing that makes me competent in their ability to remain here after this season.  Every year, new RB, new receivers......No depth.
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"How does this even happen.?"

Uhm- you explained it pretty well yourself. You lose your whole supporting cast, "Oz was gone, Farmer, Stan, Foster etc," and the guys who came before you forgot to restock the cupboard. 

I mean- pretty obvious- 1+1= 2 type stuff right there. 

 
lo country said:
Every team loses guys, but through recruitment and development doesn't have anyone available to replace say an injured QB....or a punter/kicker (which Frost finally did)

Portal guys.......Beckton as the position coach.

And why was Yant crushing it against Purdue and gets 2 touches in the 2nd half.  Or Betts goes MIA....It is just complete mismanagement across the board.... 

I just don't have your optimism anymore.  I think Frost and Co are completely over their heads in the B1G.  Checkers vs chess....
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Frost doesn't comment on injuries does he? Yant roll and ankle or take a shot to the head we don't know about? QB needs time to get the ball to Betts. 

 
Oldhuskerfan said:
Well

At the end of Frosts 4 seasons he will have more league losses than Osborne did in 25 seasons. 
 

if Scott can win 250 league games in a row with no losses over the next 21 seasons he will tie Tom Osborne more or less. That may be kind of tough- but I’m guessing several of the hard core Frost guys will lay out a path. That’s about 13 league wins per season- not sure how he gets there 
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Yeah but he played QB in the 90's. He is returning us to dominance, cant you see? ALL we need is 2 All American linemen and a NFL kicker and punter. 

 
Oldhuskerfan said:
The coaching staff put in a backup who hit all his kicks against Purdue.

recruiting and developing players in on the coaching staff, it’s literally part of their job description. Then they have to have the skills to determine who plays.

We have 24. Four star players. Purdue and Illinois have less than ten. It’s a coaching problem. 
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Youth vs. experience- Its why 18 year olds don't play in the NFL. It's a talent or unmatured talent problem that's been masked by coaching. 

 
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