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teachercd said:
Is it really a trendy thing to have a trans kid in the family now?
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I do not know about trans, but in the local high school it seems to be ‘trendy’ to identify as another gender or sexual preference….I am not even sure how to best word this. Two of the neighbor girls we know have changed how they identify a couple of times now. Most of the kids we see doing this are part of the music and drama programs or the friend groups participate in these areas of study. I only mention this because it’s an observation. It could be that it’s not as comfortable for kids playing football to come out for example. 

 
nic said:
I do not know about trans, but in the local high school it seems to be ‘trendy’ to identify as another gender or sexual preference….I am not even sure how to best word this. Two of the neighbor girls we know have changed how they identify a couple of times now. Most of the kids we see doing this are part of the music and drama programs or the friend groups participate in these areas of study. I only mention this because it’s an observation. It could be that it’s not as comfortable for kids playing football to come out for example. 
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This is really tricky. I say this as a father of a daughter who has always dated boys but two years  ago informed us they were non-binary and preferred the they pronoun, and then last month announced they were actually trans, a word I was told no long meant transitioning to another sex, but could be used for anyone who no longer identified with their assigned sex or gender.

We are loving and accepting parents, but also occasionally confused and irritated. And we found out we are not alone. Among our peer group of parents who met during our kids grade school years, we know at least 8 children who have transitioned in some way. One teenage boy who fully transitioned by name and appearance to a girl, one teenage girl who fully transitioned to a boy (don't know about any chemistry or procedures) and by all reports they are happy and liberated -- feeling like their true selves for the first time in their lives. That's a huge thing.  

But the other 6 kids, including ours, are a very mixed bag. When the wine comes out and the parents get all truthful, we admit that in some ways it does feel like a phase and perhaps a social trend. Adolescents and teens who have struggled with issues of identity and belonging since the dawn of time suddenly find there's room for experimentation and yes, a cry for attention that perhaps has little to do with a sense of gender misidentification, more to do with a dislike of social roles in general. Given this bold new category, groups of gender fluid friends are forming. The flavor of rebellion helps, even here in Marin County where parents are quickly learning how to openly support their trans children. 

One of our best friends' kids transitioned to male and had started testosterone treatment. What made it painful for them was how he rejected his whole past life as their daughter --- hated seeing himself in old family photos. But they couldn't have been more supportive. Then their new son decided to quit the testosterone, started wearing dresses again, and started dating a boy. He's keeping his boy name and pronouns, but the situation is fluid. 

I think we're being asked to accept that the situation is fluid, and maybe we can't keep up with all the changes to the nomenclature, which isn't really the point.  But we'd still like a place where parent can consider the possibility these things may be phases or trends without being accused of transphobia. 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
This is really tricky. I say this as a father of a daughter who has always dated boys but two years  ago informed us they were non-binary and preferred the they pronoun, and then last month announced they were actually trans, a word I was told no long meant transitioning to another sex, but could be used for anyone who no longer identified with their assigned sex or gender.

We are loving and accepting parents, but also occasionally confused and irritated. And we found out we are not alone. Among our peer group of parents who met during our kids grade school years, we know at least 8 children who have transitioned in some way. One teenage boy who fully transitioned by name and appearance to a girl, one teenage girl who fully transitioned to a boy (don't know about any chemistry or procedures) and by all reports they are happy and liberated -- feeling like their true selves for the first time in their lives. That's a huge thing.  

But the other 6 kids, including ours, are a very mixed bag. When the wine comes out and the parents get all truthful, we admit that in some ways it does feel like a phase and perhaps a social trend. Adolescents and teens who have struggled with issues of identity and belonging since the dawn of time suddenly find there's room for experimentation and yes, a cry for attention that perhaps has little to do with a sense of gender misidentification, more to do with a dislike of social roles in general. Given this bold new category, groups of gender fluid friends are forming. The flavor of rebellion helps, even here in Marin County where parents are quickly learning how to openly support their trans children. 

One of our best friends' kids transitioned to male and had started testosterone treatment. What made it painful for them was how he rejected his whole past life as their daughter --- hated seeing himself in old family photos. But they couldn't have been more supportive. Then their new son decided to quit the testosterone, started wearing dresses again, and started dating a boy. He's keeping his boy name and pronouns, but the situation is fluid. 

I think we're being asked to accept that the situation is fluid, and maybe we can't keep up with all the changes to the nomenclature, which isn't really the point.  But we'd still like a place where parent can consider the possibility these things may be phases or trends without being accused of transphobia. 
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This is such a great sentence.  

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
This is really tricky. I say this as a father of a daughter who has always dated boys but two years  ago informed us they were non-binary and preferred the they pronoun, and then last month announced they were actually trans, a word I was told no long meant transitioning to another sex, but could be used for anyone who no longer identified with their assigned sex or gender.

We are loving and accepting parents, but also occasionally confused and irritated. And we found out we are not alone. Among our peer group of parents who met during our kids grade school years, we know at least 8 children who have transitioned in some way. One teenage boy who fully transitioned by name and appearance to a girl, one teenage girl who fully transitioned to a boy (don't know about any chemistry or procedures) and by all reports they are happy and liberated -- feeling like their true selves for the first time in their lives. That's a huge thing.  

But the other 6 kids, including ours, are a very mixed bag. When the wine comes out and the parents get all truthful, we admit that in some ways it does feel like a phase and perhaps a social trend. Adolescents and teens who have struggled with issues of identity and belonging since the dawn of time suddenly find there's room for experimentation and yes, a cry for attention that perhaps has little to do with a sense of gender misidentification, more to do with a dislike of social roles in general. Given this bold new category, groups of gender fluid friends are forming. The flavor of rebellion helps, even here in Marin County where parents are quickly learning how to openly support their trans children. 

One of our best friends' kids transitioned to male and had started testosterone treatment. What made it painful for them was how he rejected his whole past life as their daughter --- hated seeing himself in old family photos. But they couldn't have been more supportive. Then their new son decided to quit the testosterone, started wearing dresses again, and started dating a boy. He's keeping his boy name and pronouns, but the situation is fluid. 

I think we're being asked to accept that the situation is fluid, and maybe we can't keep up with all the changes to the nomenclature, which isn't really the point.  But we'd still like a place where parent can consider the possibility these things may be phases or trends without being accused of transphobia. 
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I appreciate you sharing your perspective and agree with teachercd on the last sentence. I have been working with kids in the community for 20+ years and they certainly are all looking for acceptance and belonging. A person I know is a psychologist that specializes in helping families through gender and identity related topics. I haven’t talked with her much about it, but she has shared her struggles with the kids. she struggled with being female while growing up, but not from a sexual context. She said she was always attracted to men but felt like they had all the advantages. She drew the short straw in being born a women so to speak and was angry about it. I would be interested in getting more of her perspective on these topics, but it is not a conversation I tend to bring up is a social context. I do worry about kids making life long decisions on these topics at a young age when they are still developing and are  impressionable. I am not even sure that puberty blockers are safe. 

 
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One concern I have with kids wanting to take drugs or have surgeries is there has to be at least some part of the population of people thinking they're trans who are merely confused, and conflating gender/societal pressure with biological sex. And when you're a teenager and you feel like crap you try to find reasons why. Being born the wrong sex is a possible reason why. When for some thinking they're trans the reason is they're a teenager and teenagers have a lot of confusing crap going on in their brains.

I'm not trying to delegitimize being trans but what I'm describing exists. There are people who regret transitioning. As a parent I'd be worried if my kid wanted to take anything or transition before the age of 18 (and after, too, but at that point it'd be out of my hands). I had no idea what I was doing when I was 20 so I'd be concerned with that age too.

I feel the main cause for the people who are confused is that gender is too black and white and there is too much pressure to conform. I would guess the % of girls who are tomboys has decreased and more who would be considered tomboys are now saying they're trans boys.

 
Moiraine said:
One concern I have with kids wanting to take drugs or have surgeries is there has to be at least some part of the population of people thinking they're trans who are merely confused, and conflating gender/societal pressure with biological sex. And when you're a teenager and you feel like crap you try to find reasons why. Being born the wrong sex is a possible reason why. When for some thinking they're trans the reason is they're a teenager and teenagers have a lot of confusing crap going on in their brains.

I'm not trying to delegitimize being trans but what I'm describing exists. There are people who regret transitioning. As a parent I'd be worried if my kid wanted to take anything or transition before the age of 18 (and after, too, but at that point it'd be out of my hands). I had no idea what I was doing when I was 20 so I'd be concerned with that age too.

I feel the main cause for the people who are confused is that gender is too black and white and there is too much pressure to conform. I would guess the % of girls who are tomboys has decreased and more who would be considered tomboys are now saying they're trans boys.
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Agree here. I had in my small class a couple tom boy girls that ended up married with kids and one popular dating girl that has been out as gay now happily for years. 

 
teachercd said:
This is such a great sentence.  
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I mostly agree with this sentence. It's dumb and Democrats need to simply abandon talking points on it. But...

It's important to remember that one Political Party spent a decade suing the federal government from expanding Healthcare in their states - harming an untold number of people in the process.

That same Party spent the pandemic cultivating and weaponizing distrust of vaccines leading to the unnecessary deaths of nearly 320k Americans (5.5x the number of military deaths in Vietnam). 

Democrats support often annoying and stupid policies. But they're harmless.  Republicans have gotten hundreds of thousands killed, and that's before we consider their anti-democratic nature.

 
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Dr. Strangelove said:
I mostly agree with this sentence. It's dumb and Democrats need to simply abandon talking points on it. But...

It's important to remember that one Political Party spent a decade suing the federal government from expanding Healthcare in their states - harming an untold number of people in the process.

That same Party spent the pandemic cultivating and weaponizing distrust of vaccines leading to the unnecessary deaths of nearly 320k Americans (5.5x the number of military deaths in Vietnam). 

Democrats support often annoying and stupid policies. But they're harmless.  Republicans have gotten hundreds of thousands killed, and that's before we consider their anti-democratic nature.
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Its amazing to me that one party can get away with screaming about unhinged liberty to do what they want, when they want, simply because they want to, without consideration of impact of those around them, yet then turn around and attempt to control every other aspect of other people's lives. Perhaps that's Trump's legacy- making unapologetic selfishness and self centered thought something to be celebrated rather than shamed. 

 
Archy1221 said:
:facepalm:
 

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/disclosed-how-obama-administration-officials-conducted-shadow-diplomacy-with-iran-to-undermine-trump/

Senior Obama administration officials engaged in a secret meeting with Iran in 2018 as part of an effort to undermine the Trump administration's diplomatic push to isolate the hardline regime, according to an internal State Department document.
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If this was without the knowledge of the administration, then I hope the official(s) are charged the same as Flynn.

 
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