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Archy1221 said:
So you can keep crying all you want about me and how I handle posting here.   It’s falling on deaf ears except to set the record straight from what you imply, until you show you aren’t what you complain about others being.   
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Completely disingenuous, dealing in misinformation and purposefully misconstruing others arguments in order to get an internet "win"? I think I've shown I'm not that, just not willing to put up with it. It seems many others on this board feel the same as me. It's funny how righteous you think you are when most people here disagree with you vehemently over and over. We could all be wrong I guess but have you ever considered the alternative?

 
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Nebfanatic said:
It's funny how righteous you think you are when most people here disagree with you vehemently over and over
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Well, consider most of them view the world through a left to far left lense like yourself, that wouldn’t be an outlandish circumstance now would it be?   
 

Nebfanatic said:
. We could all be wrong I guess but have you ever considered the alternative?
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Yes.   Hopefully you do the same while still holding conviction of thought.  

 
Archy1221 said:
Well, consider most of them view the world through a left to far left lense like yourself, that wouldn’t be an outlandish circumstance now would it be?   
 

Yes.   Hopefully you do the same while still holding conviction of thought.  
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Except I don't view things through a left to far left lense. I just don't like authoritarian rule. I would take your non partisan government waste thing seriously if it wasn't just a thinly veiled excuse to turn a blind eye to the egregious violation of the law that is going on to "expose" this fraud coming from a guy who has received over 15 billion in government contracts himself. 

 
Nebfanatic said:
I would take your non partisan government waste thing seriously if it wasn't just a thinly veiled excuse to turn a blind eye to the egregious violation of the law that is going on to "expose" this fraud coming from a guy who has received over 15 billion in government contracts himself. 
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No you wouldn’t.    
 

Joe Biden and your Democrats had 4 years to look into Elon Gov contracts and expose any fraud waste or abuse.   Would it surprise me if there is some?    Nope.     Now what did we get for government contracts?   What is the value of what SpaceX alone has provided that the government couldn’t do on its own.   Dems want electric cars, so what has Elon done with the Gov subsidies for electric cars????  Built the largest electric vehicle company in the US.  What happened to some of the solar companies that received huge Gov funding subsidies.   Yep, bankrupt.    Does the DOD want to eliminate any Starlink contracts and put up our own system or use someone else’s?   Biden could have easily done that but he didn’t.   Why?   Probably because it adds value beyond the subsidy.  
 

But if not then cut it.  I’m all for cutting of large organizations  sucking at them teet of the US taxpayer and not providing appropriate value.  

Nebfanatic said:
OK memelord glad you're having fun. 
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Just bringing some truth to the conversation. 

 
Archy1221 said:
No you wouldn’t.    
 

Joe Biden and your Democrats had 4 years to look into Elon Gov contracts and expose any fraud waste or abuse.   Would it surprise me if there is some?    Nope.     Now what did we get for government contracts?   What is the value of what SpaceX alone has provided that the government couldn’t do on its own.   Dems want electric cars, so what has Elon done with the Gov subsidies for electric cars????  Built the largest electric vehicle company in the US.  What happened to some of the solar companies that received huge Gov funding subsidies.   Yep, bankrupt.    Does the DOD want to eliminate any Starlink contracts and put up our own system or use someone else’s?   Biden could have easily done that but he didn’t.   Why?   Probably because it adds value beyond the subsidy.  
 

But if not then cut it.  I’m all for cutting of large organizations  sucking at them teet of the US taxpayer and not providing appropriate value.  

Just bringing some truth to the conversation. 
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Shamelessly defending egregious violations of the constitution is where conservatives are at these days. Good luck with that.

 
Archy1221 said:
You bring up Elon government contracts, I try and discuss said government contracts to get your opinion on the worthiness of them and this is your reply?
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The contracts were not the crux of that argument it was just context but that's the piece you take and run with. This is what I mean when I say you are disingenuous. You are the one not attempting to have real discussion. His endeavors being successful really don't have a ton of bearing on the situation. He shouldn't be in control of these decisions. The fact he is in and of itself reeks of corruption and is entirely unconstitutional that is the issue and the part you decide to entirely gloss over.

As for the success of Elons companies you can't ignore that they would not be profitable without massive government subsidies and the stock price is entirely based on speculation and not sales and actual quality of the company. Tesla has been facing major issues as of late with product quality and investors losing faith in Tesla long term. Elon Musk is the biggest welfare queen in the history of the world frankly and he is in the process of a hostile takeover of the US government.

 
Nebfanatic said:
Except I don't view things through a left to far left lense. I just don't like authoritarian rule. I would take your non partisan government waste thing seriously if it wasn't just a thinly veiled excuse to turn a blind eye to the egregious violation of the law that is going on to "expose" this fraud coming from a guy who has received over 15 billion in government contracts himself. 
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The game is to pretend Musk/Trump are good, honest public servants out here fighting the good fight to try to scale down the federal government for the benefit of the common American and thus everything they're doing is actually above board.

It's an absolutely ridiculous premise if you weren't born yesterday so there's really no sense in playing the game.

 
Danny Bateman said:
The game is to pretend Musk/Trump are good, honest public servants out here fighting the good fight to try to scale down the federal government for the benefit of the common American and thus everything they're doing is actually above board.

It's an absolutely ridiculous premise if you weren't born yesterday so there's really no sense in playing the game.
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So explains the actual game to us.   Explain to us how making the Government more efficient is bad.   

 
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