Nope, and the video posted doesn’t imply that either. Are you leaning in to believing, if what the video is saying is true, it wouldn’t have been a strategic mistake by Jake?
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Guy Chamberlin
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I'm just leaning into the possibility that the video is a willful distraction from the much larger issue that is still happening and remains avoidable if enough people stop looking for the wrong people to blame.
What type of realistic outcome are you leaning into at the moment? And maybe a timeframe for said outcome?
Guy Chamberlin
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It appears that the United States and Russia have already agreed on terms for ending the Ukraine War without consulting Ukraine, ignoring NATO, and undermining Zelensky in the press. So the timeframe for negotiations is largely over. Everyone knows where Trump (America) now stands.
Ukraine's ability to continue defending itself is reliant on NATO allies, one of which used to be the U.S. The timeframe will be the next congressional vote on U.S. aid to Ukraine, and that's going to be really interesting. The most realistic outcome is a massive reduction if not elimination of U.S. aid to Ukraine falling down partisan lines, with a good bit of protest and posturing from some of the GOP vanguard before they cave, pretending a tiny concession of land in the Donbass was a victory for compromise.
From there it will be up to Europe to decide how they feel about supporting Ukraine and protecting themselves from Putin's larger objectives. With the U.S. abandoning 80 years of global leadership, players like China, India, and Iran might step in to tip the balances. It could cause a break in the GOP, but Trump has shown he doesn't need anyone's approval to make major decisions.
All this could take years. Zelensky and Ukraine may be proud, but they are also exhausted at this point. The reward for accepting the current terms would be stopping a war that succeeded in preventing a Russian takeover, but it would also require trusting Putin to adhere to terms that cast him as the war's loser. Not a great bet.
I can realistically guarantee two things: the ultimate arrangement will satisfy no one and Trump will declare it his victory.
JJ Husker
Donor
I could give two f#&%s about that video or whatever it is you would prefer to discuss, because that is the unimportant ancillary stuff that is getting in the way of the bigger issue.
My only agenda is trying to make some sense out of you defending this administration with virtually every post you make while also apparently holding the thoughts I’ve quoted above. I mean you do realize these thoughts of your’s, which I agree with, are not even remotely shared by Trump? Right? And MAGA republicans agree with Trump and/or are doing nothing to stop Trump’s actions in regard to Ukraine or Russia. In my mind, this Ukraine/Russia deal should be a pretty strong deal breaker (among many others). Yet the water keeps getting carried. How do you reconcile this?
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Ratt Mhule
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If the $700 billion EU arms deal happens, Ukraine wont need funding for the next couple years. Russia would need to seriously consider waiving the white flag. On the other hand, I saw the other day that the US is considering selling weapons to Russia. So I guess there might not be an ending in sight if these two things happen.
What is the agreement?
moving back in time….had Biden/Harris won election, what was the realistic war outcome going to be? Would Ukraine get all territory back? Including Crimea or no Crimea.
We know which shows you weren’t following along and just tried to have a gotcha. Appreciate the acknowledgment
Ratt Mhule
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With Putin in a bunker with a cyanide pill or hanging upside down after being gutted like a fish. Same way most dictatorships end.
Hmmmmm….you continue to make zero sense with your “you agree with virtually everything” Trump takes all the while highlighting and having to admit when I don’t.
You do realize it’s possible to agree with and disagree with someone when it comes to different sets of issues being present? Right? I mean you know it’s not an all or nothing thingy?
I understand you have your canned carry the water and you never disagree with Trump, etc….takes that aren’t rooted in reality. But once you take the blinders off and realize those takes are pretty crazy, it’s makes for a better environment for back and forth discussion
By the way, I don’t agree that we should just be continually funding the Ukraine war. I think other should be limits to what we provide or we should be getting something tangible out of it.
Biden had a couple years, why didn’t that happen if it was realistic
Ratt Mhule
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Not sure what it has to do with Biden. The Russian people are about done with Putin, their economy is in the s#!thole and inflation is out of control. Those endings come from the population of said country, not a leader from another country.Hmmmmm….you continue to make zero sense with your “you agree with virtually everything” Trump takes all the while highlighting and having to admit when I don’t.
You do realize it’s possible to agree with and disagree with someone when it comes to different sets of issues being present? Right? I mean you know it’s not an all or nothing thingy?
I understand you have your canned carry the water and you never disagree with Trump, etc….takes that aren’t rooted in reality. But once you take the blinders off and realize those takes are pretty crazy, it’s makes for a better environment for back and forth discussion
By the way, I don’t agree that we should just be continually funding the Ukraine war. I think other should be limits to what we provide or we should be getting something tangible out of it.
Biden had a couple years, why didn’t that happen if it was realistic
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Guy Chamberlin
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I dont think Crimea was ever coming coming back. A Biden/Harris win keeps prolonging the stalemate. Both countries are being bled, but only one country is in danger of being taken over entirely. Negotiations would have to involve Ukraine and Zelensky and they would likely carve up enough pieces of contested land that each side can portray themselves as victors. Negotiation 101. Putin's willingness to negotiate through Trump rather than Biden is simply because Trump is willing to concede everything Putin wants.
Trump and Putin want Ukraine to give back any land it took and concede other Russian leaning provinces. Ukraine will not be allowed to join NATO and Russia will not offer any compensation for the destruction caused by its invasion --- and invasion, interestingly enough, that Trump and Putin pretend wasn't an invasion. There will be nothing on the books, but it's fairly certain that European allies who continue to support Ukraine will be in line for some kind of childish punishment from Trump, acting unilaterally against the wishes of most Americans and many in his own party.
It's been all over the news. You should check it out:
https://apnews.com/article/trump-zelenskyy-ukraine-russia-war-7d18400b935166773bbd3b3323c8aa5f
teachercd
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This is what we all want but sadly the chances of it ever happening are slim.
There are a few people that don't believe in anyone, even people that are super f#&%ing evil, getting killed, but I would guess even they would make exceptions.
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JJ Husker
Donor
Nice. Select the limited thing you want to reply to while, again, avoiding the bigger question. You could’ve simply said “I’ll support Trump and the Rs no matter how much I may say I disagree with them”. The “why” is what’s missing in most all of your responses. That simply leaves it that you agree with a lot more of Trump than you disagree with. Wrong answer imo but you do you.Hmmmmm….you continue to make zero sense with your “you agree with virtually everything” Trump takes all the while highlighting and having to admit when I don’t.
You do realize it’s possible to agree with and disagree with someone when it comes to different sets of issues being present? Right? I mean you know it’s not an all or nothing thingy?
I understand you have your canned carry the water and you never disagree with Trump, etc….takes that aren’t rooted in reality. But once you take the blinders off and realize those takes are pretty crazy, it’s makes for a better environment for back and forth discussion
By the way, I don’t agree that we should just be continually funding the Ukraine war. I think other should be limits to what we provide or we should be getting something tangible out of it.
But you have literally agreed with me in your previous post that the above would be a false statement silly goose.
Well yeah captain obvious. Shocker how “a lot more” doesn’t mean “virtually everything” or “ always defending Trump”. It warms my heart that you have finally moved a reasonable position on this.
