The Religious Discussion of 2012

strigori said:
HuskerShark said:
knapplc said:
So we're back to the argument that if a subject wasn't specifically mentioned by Jesus, it can't be a Christian tenet. OK.
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+1. Exactly what I was thinking.

Sub-Husker said:
HuskerShark said:
It's a really touchy subject, and the last thing I wanna do is have this thread turn into the pro-choice vs pro-life debate, so I'll leave my comments at that.
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Agreed.

But you do need to realize that abortion does not meet the legal definition of murder in the United States, and Jesus was silent about the issue during his time.

If religious people gather together in a majority and get the law changed regarding fetal personhood, then abortion can be classified as murder.

But if religious groups do that, then whose teachings are they following?
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Maybe you should read a little bit of this site:

http://www.av1611.or...n/abortion.html

And I'm sure you will have some type of jib-jab to try and refute the things that it says as you always do, so I'll be looking forward to it.
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Any argument that is based on the Bible only is really null and void when it comes to making Law in the United States. We are not a theocracy. Look to many of the Arab nations if you want a country that works that way.
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Well I'll be frank with you here. If you are basing laws off of any religion other than Christianity, then the laws are wrong.

 
Laws are not to be based on ANY religion. Period. And the whole 'our laws are based on the Bible' is totally false. The ten comandments are not the basis for law. Otherwise we would BE a theocracy.

 
HuskerShark said:
Well I'll be frank with you here. If you are basing laws off of any religion other than Christianity, then the laws are wrong.
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Really? You're welcome to head to the Middle East if you'd like to live in a theocracy. The US is a secular nation.

"[T]he Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." You know who said that? The founding fathers.

 
carlfense said:
HuskerShark said:
Well I'll be frank with you here. If you are basing laws off of any religion other than Christianity, then the laws are wrong.
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Really? You're welcome to head to the Middle East if you'd like to live in a theocracy. The US is a secular nation.

"[T]he Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." You know who said that? The founding fathers.
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I really don't care how things are or how they have been, the Bible itself says to follow the will of God before the laws of the people. So here's a better idea: let's not create any confusion and just model our laws after Christianity.

 
HuskerShark said:
I really don't care how things are or how they have been, the Bible itself says to follow the will of God before the laws of the people. So here's a better idea: let's not create any confusion and just model our laws after Christianity.
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But what about the non-Christians? Why should they, in a free country, have to abide by religious laws?

The Jews believe they worship the One True God. Why not base our laws off their religious tenets?

 
HuskerShark said:
carlfense said:
HuskerShark said:
Well I'll be frank with you here. If you are basing laws off of any religion other than Christianity, then the laws are wrong.
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Really? You're welcome to head to the Middle East if you'd like to live in a theocracy. The US is a secular nation.

"[T]he Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." You know who said that? The founding fathers.
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I really don't care how things are or how they have been, the Bible itself says to follow the will of God before the laws of the people. So here's a better idea: let's not create any confusion and just model our laws after Christianity.
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"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" - Matthew 22:21

 
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HuskerShark said:
I really don't care how things are or how they have been, the Bible itself says to follow the will of God before the laws of the people. So here's a better idea: let's not create any confusion and just model our laws after Christianity.
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Romans 13: 1-2...

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+13%3A1-2&version=NIV

1) Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

2) Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

 
The simple answer is that Christians are to obey human law except where that human law violates God's Law. Our supreme duty is to obey God. Since God tells us to also obey human laws, we should. But, when they come in conflict, we are to "obey God rather than men"

 
MLB 51 said:
The simple answer is that Christians are to obey human law except where that human law violates God's Law. Our supreme duty is to obey God. Since God tells us to also obey human laws, we should. But, when they come in conflict, we are to "obey God rather than men"
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And who wrote God's laws for Her, and where are they accurately portrayed?

 
Sub-Husker said:
MLB 51 said:
The simple answer is that Christians are to obey human law except where that human law violates God's Law. Our supreme duty is to obey God. Since God tells us to also obey human laws, we should. But, when they come in conflict, we are to "obey God rather than men"
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And who wrote God's laws for Her, and where are they accurately portrayed?
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Did you really just refer to God as "Her"?

:ban

MLB 51 said:
The simple answer is that Christians are to obey human law except where that human law violates God's Law. Our supreme duty is to obey God. Since God tells us to also obey human laws, we should. But, when they come in conflict, we are to "obey God rather than men"
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Great post!

 
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God has no gender. "Him," "He" and other male pronouns are derived from a patriarchal culture, not from God Himself. Or Herself.

 
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