Dewiz

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Is it time to permaban @Dewiz? He got reported for an inflammatory politic comment in the status updates calling the “left” unhinged. If he had a clean warning history, I would just send a PM. However, reading through his 9 previous warnings, it was made clear to him that his next warning would be his last. And, he actually got another after that, so I could give him his 10th warning, but when is enough enough?

 
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Oh look, more drama because of politics. And hear me out, I'm not picking a side in this. I'm just tired of people acting like jerks to each other because of tribalism.

Anyway.... my opinion on the matter... he didn't attack anyone on the board. Yes, it's Dewiz. Yes he can be brash and childish. But.. he threw out a vague insult towards an undefined group of people. If we're going to apply that rule to people, then we might as well shut down the politics board, because that's most of what's in there right now.

 
I would tend to agree with you, Saunders. What makes it egregious is that he made this comment in a status update (not the political forum) and after I specifically posted to not make political comments in that particular status update.

Like I said, normally I would just PM a warning to the offending member, but (1) I already made a public warning to all and (2) Dewiz is notorious for these types of inflammatory comments. In my opinion, another PM will have no effect.

I guess my thought is we either ignore his actions or ban him. Is this the straw that broke the camel’s back?

 
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After Dewiz received his ninth board warning last November, I said the following in another Leadership Forum thread (it was in relation to Dewiz and LOMS at the time):

IMO, the next [warning] for either of them should be long term, particularly if it's politically themed. These two were the catalyst for implementing the status update guidelines this summer. Forgive my language, but it's high time they cut the s#!t.


In Dewiz' defense, teachercd started the update and not Dewiz. Also, what Dewiz said is similar to what is said about 'the right' by a lot of our members in P&R (they just have the moxy to keep it in P&R).

Not playing into Dewiz' favor is he, of all people, should know better than to make comments like that in the status updates. And his nine warnings, regardless of how spaced out they are, are representative of a generally poor behaved person. Thanks_Tom also did warn people not to say anything political.

Finally, there's no reasoning with him as evidenced by his long conversations with Mav late last year, so I concur that a private PM is going to be useless.

Ultimately, this is what Dewiz does - he forces the leadership team to have regular conversations about whether or not something he did/said is worth banning. There have been at least 5-6 separate conversations about it in the last year alone. I would not bat a single eye about his removal. And, although I don't believe this particular situation is egregious by itself to warrant removal, it's a microcosm of his decision making. Either we accept that we're going to have to have these conversations about him on a regular basis or we remove him.

 
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Agree with everything you said fellas. And I think that's the issue. What he said isn't any different than what is said by many of our members about the other side of the political aisle. And even though I might agree with them on some of it, we can't make just enforce riles because they do/do not align with our political beliefs. Teach shouldn't have posted it in the updates, but he's not the first (or last) to push that envelope since we enacted that rule.

Personally, I think  the fact that someone even reported Dewiz's post is ridiculous. Every day there are far, far worse things said in the P&R forum about our current government leadership (whether or not we agree is irrelevant). I'm fine with making this the final straw with him. But I believe that if this is the line we're drawing in the sand, then it needs to be enforced across the board.

 
I think the line for comments like this ends in the P&R forum. That is one of the issues I have with Dewiz making this comment in a status update. If it was in the P&R forum, I would not care.

 
That whole status should be nuked. Nothing good was going to come of it. Not defending Dewiz at all, but that seems like a pretty petty thing to be banned over, even with his record. My thought is to just hide or delete the status and leave it at that.

 
I don't think what Dewiz said is really the issue and I don't support action based on the word choice. My concern is the location he said it because he knows the rule about politics and status updates.

Truthfully, I'm 50/50 on taking action. He should know better but he also didn't start the update. And, while other people did make what I would consider politically themed comments, he took it the furthest and in a negative way.

He's discovered a niche where he can operate and flaunt our rules. That's the only thing stuck in my jaw about all this.

 
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I don't think what Dewiz said is really the issue and I don't support action based on the word choice. My concern is the location he said it because he knows the rule about politics and status updates.

Truthfully, I'm 50/50 on taking action. He should know better but he also didn't start the update. And, while other people did make what I would consider politically themed comments, he took it the furthest and in a negative way.

He's discovered a niche where he can operate and flaunt our rules. That's the only thing stuck in my jaw about all this.
Good point.

So, what's the consensus on this? I'm fine with making this a no-tolerance policy in the status updates.

 
Here's my suggested action plan:

1) No punishments in this situation

2) Add a caveat to our 'no politics in the status updates' stating that people who choose to engage in a political back and forth in the status updates may be held accountable (I just updated this)

3) Re-pin the 'no politics' message to the top of the board because it's the off season, we've probably added a lot of new members since last August when the message first went up and it'll be a good reminder

Thoughts?

 
Works for me!

I think we re-enforce the front page thing by locking/deleting that stuff immediately, and notify the poster. I don't wanna start handing out bans, but if someone does it repeatedly, then we address it.

 
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Here's my suggested action plan:

1) No punishments in this situation

2) Add a caveat to our 'no politics in the status updates' stating that people who choose to engage in a political back and forth in the status updates may be held accountable (I just updated this)

3) Re-pin the 'no politics' message to the top of the board because it's the off season, we've probably added a lot of new members since last August when the message first went up and it'll be a good reminder

Thoughts?
I like this, in the end it gives the appearance that we've bent over backwards for folks so when/if they cross the line there isn't much room for debate about the ban or suspension. 

 
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