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Moiraine said:
You're claiming you're just making jokes, but it seems to me you believe in what you're saying to some extent. So if that's the case:

Clinton had 8 years, Obama had 8 years. No attacks were made on the 2nd amendment. Quit listening to whoever is tricking you into thinking the Democrats are going to do anything to the 2nd amendment. You've been duped.

You've been similarly duped into thinking having some socialist aspects to our government, like the fire department, police department, schools, highways, and health care are/would be a bad thing.
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The strongest federal attack on the 2nd Amendment Right is the ban on possession for anyone with even misdemeanor domestic violence or getting hit with restraining order, and that was passed under the Clinton administration, who also did Brady.  It may sound like common sense if you didn't know domestic violence could mean breaking your pencil.  Although even that law pales in comparison the flurry of blue state governors pandering to their anti0gun base by criminalizing law abiding citizens. 

Also did I get a bad delete earlier today?

 
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Notre Dame Joe said:
The strongest federal attack on the 2nd Amendment Right is the ban on possession for anyone with even misdemeanor domestic violence or getting hit with restraining order, and that was passed under the Clinton administration, who also did Brady.  It may sound like common sense if you didn't know domestic violence could mean breaking your pencil.  Although even that law pales in comparison the flurry of blue state governors pandering to their anti0gun base by criminalizing law abiding citizens.
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The Lautenberg Amendment passed 97-2 in a Republican controlled Senate. The conversation is about Democrats getting accused of wanting to weaken or destroy the 2nd amendment by the GOP. If both parties vote for the same law, then one party shouldn't be accusing the other of something they are equally responsible for.

Edit: I looked up Brady and that had less support from Republicans and was passed by a Democrat majority, but I really don’t give a crap if Republicans want to skip background checks for getting a gun. It’s still not really weakening the 2nd amendment in my opinion, it’s just plain common sense. 

 
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Oade said:
You weren't talking about Trump in the Russia investigation thread? Not at all? Really? What.

Ok, so not Trump.... Just the gop as a whole is bad news lol. Because of their talking points against the dnc's gun stance. And the dnc doesn't have the same hollow talking points against the gop? I've been duped? Good luck winning the swing votes!

Ok fair point, you took a joke out of context to get on your high horse and inform me of my dupedness. Again, good luck winning the swing votes.
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Ok, here we go.  :facepalm:

Every couple of months or so, this forum sees some right-winger come out of the woodwork, either a new member or someone who hasn't posted in months, suddenly making an appearance and hosing down the room with ignorance, vitriol, and evasiveness. At the same time they are often averse to logic and evidence, and they refuse to answer any questions that are posed to him. These folks usually erupt for a while and then soon disappear, or else they stay a little bit longer before they get banned for the inevitable personal attacks or trolling.

Listen pal, we need some sane conservative voices in these conversations and in this country. But it would be great if you would bring some rational thought with you and showed a willingness to actually engage with others. Absent that, you are only trolling. So engage and contribute like an actual human being or GTFO.

I would be interested in hearing which values and principles you hold dear, and what you would like your politicians of choice actually accomplish. Can you start with that, @Oade? Can you answer some of the questions that other posters have asked you? Or are you going to act like Ric Flair, HuskerNation1, OTHusker, MNBigRed, Shellback, NotreDameJoe, etc?

 
Oade said:
You weren't talking about Trump in the Russia investigation thread? Not at all? Really? What.

Ok, so not Trump.... Just the gop as a whole is bad news lol. Because of their talking points against the dnc's gun stance. And the dnc doesn't have the same hollow talking points against the gop? I've been duped? Good luck winning the swing votes!

Ok fair point, you took a joke out of context to get on your high horse and inform me of my dupedness. Again, good luck winning the swing votes.
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Trump Cult alert. 

 
knapplc said:
What appeals to you the most? Tax cuts for the rich? Tarrifs that hurt American business? Or just the blatant racism?
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Ulty said:
I would be interested in hearing which values and principles you hold dear, and what you would like your politicians of choice actually accomplish. Can you start with that, @Oade? Can you answer some of the questions that other posters have asked you? Or are you going to act like Ric Flair, HuskerNation1, OTHusker, MNBigRed, Shellback, NotreDameJoe, etc?
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@Ulty you're just trying to figure out whose sock this is, aren't you? :D

 
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Moiraine said:
The Lautenberg Amendment passed 97-2 in a Republican controlled Senate. The conversation is about Democrats getting accused of wanting to weaken or destroy the 2nd amendment by the GOP. If both parties vote for the same law, then one party shouldn't be accusing the other of something they are equally responsible for.

Edit: I looked up Brady and that had less support from Republicans and was passed by a Democrat majority, but I really don’t give a crap if Republicans want to skip background checks for getting a gun. It’s still not really weakening the 2nd amendment in my opinion, it’s just plain common sense. 
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At the time the Lautenberg Amendment was passed Congress likely thought they were denying gun rights to wife beaters and not pencil breakers.  Law Creep is more of a government vs people issue than D vs R.  But relevant as Trump is more populist than Republican. 

 
Notre Dame Joe said:
At the time the Lautenberg Amendment was passed Congress likely thought they were denying gun rights to wife beaters and not pencil breakers.  Law Creep is more of a government vs people issue than D vs R.  But relevant as Trump is more populist than Republican. 
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pencil breakers? can you back up that claim?   or is hyperbole your best defense? 

 
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deedsker said:
I mean, I would say he is a populist in claims and demeanor but only trying to provide for the elites (or his group of elites).
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Well....I guess he strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elites.....as long as you are white, Republican, old, male, have established your undying love and devotion to him....and don't live in Baltimore.

 
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