Gun Control

I'm all for gun elimination. Just as long as the police, the army, and the rest of the world do the same.

Until that happens, I'm going to be convinced that the government has a good reason for wanting to take firearms out of our hands. I'll let you hypothesize why they may desire a citizenry bereft of these means of defense. And I am not a card carrying NRA member by any means.

I see a recurring trend. The US government immediately seizing upon a tragedy that has afflicted our citizens, and using it to propel measures which extend the reach and control of federal liberties over the masses. (Safeguarded by intentionally opaque protections like circumstances in which warrants are no longer required to breach the privacy of anyone deemed dangerous. Deemed by whom, you may ask? Might as well not.) Eleven years straight. And since the "color threat gauge" system has been disbanded, I'll just assume it means that for over a decade now we haven't been in the "safe" range.

Anybody else starting to get jittery? Like...maybe we don't actually have a two party system after all? Maybe it's just one? Just positing a theory.

Off topic, but one last question: Why are the "frank" discussions between Obama and Boehner not televised? I propose that they absolutely should be, under demand of the citizens of the United States of America.

 
strigori said:
20 some kids at a Chinese school were attacked with a knife.

There have been several heinous murders committed with hammers.
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How many people were killed in the attack in China? I heard 0.

27 people were killed Friday in Newtown. Not even a remotely valid comparison.

I'm sure "several" murders have been committed with hammers. However, the hammer's purpose isn't to kill. The Bushmaster semiautomatic rifle and the Glock and Sig saur handguns? They were designed to kill.

 
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Fuzzy said:
Banning all guns is not the answer. But having a more rigorous and extensive background check on people who own or plan on owning a firearm is a possible solution.
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I've not seen many people suggest a complete ban on guns. Why everyone wants to immediately suggest otherwise, I don't understand. What I have seen people suggest is that a weapon like a .223 semiautomatic Bushmaster Rifle, with a clip that carries 20 or 50 rounds, should be banned.

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You're citing the U.N. via wikipedia. I'm a little concerned about the UN and their track record.

Use the statistics from the FBI. Easily obtained by typing www.fbi.gov

Unless you don't trust our government, just sayin'

 
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rawhide said:
You're citing the U.N. via wikipedia. I'm a little concerned about the UN and their track record.

Use the statistics from the FBI. Easily obtained by typing www.fbi.gov

Unless you don't trust our government, just sayin'
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I love how everyone's first reaction to a statistic they don't like is to b!^@h about the source. Feel free to cite something that disagrees with my post, and we can discuss it.

 
Meanwhile, at an elementary school in Israel, all is calm....

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Not that I would want it to come to this, but wonder how brave this guy would of been knowing the Kindergarten teacher would of blown his head off the second he pull a gun.

 
Canttakeitanymore said:
Meanwhile, at an elementary school in Israel, all is calm....

Not that I would want it to come to this, but wonder how brave this guy would of been knowing the Kindergarten teacher would of blown his head off the second he pull a gun.
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1. He killed himself. I don't think he was afraid to die.

2. How many students die in the crossfire?

3. If he knows the teacher is armed, he shoots the teacher before she can fire, then goes about the rest of what he wants to do. Easy as that.

Unless you are suggested we arm 6 year olds, I don't think this would have changed a damn thing.

 
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Junior said:
Fuzzy said:
Banning all guns is not the answer. But having a more rigorous and extensive background check on people who own or plan on owning a firearm is a possible solution.
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I've not seen many people suggest a complete ban on guns. Why everyone wants to immediately suggest otherwise, I don't understand. What I have seen people suggest is that a weapon like a .223 semiautomatic Bushmaster Rifle, with a clip that carries 20 or 50 rounds, should be banned.

bushmaster223_0.jpg
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Why ban that? Rifles are only used in 4% of gun crimes. Hand guns are used the vast majority of the time.

 
Junior said:
Canttakeitanymore said:
Meanwhile, at an elementary school in Israel, all is calm....

Not that I would want it to come to this, but wonder how brave this guy would of been knowing the Kindergarten teacher would of blown his head off the second he pull a gun.
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1. He killed himself. I don't think he was afraid to die.

2. How many students die in the crossfire?

3. If he knows the teacher is armed, he shoots the teacher before she can fire, then goes about the rest of what he wants to do. Easy as that.

Unless you are suggested we arm 6 year olds, I don't think this would have changed a damn thing.
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Based on what? If all the teachers were armed, you think he would of killed as many as he did? Or even tried it?

 
Canttakeitanymore said:
Junior said:
Fuzzy said:
Banning all guns is not the answer. But having a more rigorous and extensive background check on people who own or plan on owning a firearm is a possible solution.
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I've not seen many people suggest a complete ban on guns. Why everyone wants to immediately suggest otherwise, I don't understand. What I have seen people suggest is that a weapon like a .223 semiautomatic Bushmaster Rifle, with a clip that carries 20 or 50 rounds, should be banned.

bushmaster223_0.jpg
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Why ban that? Rifles are only used in 4% of gun crimes. Hand guns are used the vast majority of the time.
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I'm for a ban on all semiautomatic and automatic weapons. I can't fathom a legitimate reason as to why someone would need a semi-automatic rifle with two 30 round magazines.

FYI - that is the same rifle used by the DC area snipers.

 
I never actually said I disagreed with your statistics Junior. I just feel that the FBI statistics would be directly from the source compiling the statistics given error by various municipalities/states, etc.. Does the UN give out how they compiled their statistics??

I actually agree with those statistics for the most part. Israel has a proven track record. Much better than even Switzerland which has more guns per capita than almost anyone.

Not to say that the Washington Post would EVAH skew anything to meet their agenda.

I also believe the Bushmaster that the murderers used in DC was stolen.

I'm for a ban on Alcohol, heroin and meth. Those are the big three that kill way more people than guns every single year. Oh wait, there are restrictive laws on those three drugs. Heavens to betsy.

 
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Canttakeitanymore said:
Junior said:
Canttakeitanymore said:
Meanwhile, at an elementary school in Israel, all is calm....

Not that I would want it to come to this, but wonder how brave this guy would of been knowing the Kindergarten teacher would of blown his head off the second he pull a gun.
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1. He killed himself. I don't think he was afraid to die.

2. How many students die in the crossfire?

3. If he knows the teacher is armed, he shoots the teacher before she can fire, then goes about the rest of what he wants to do. Easy as that.

Unless you are suggested we arm 6 year olds, I don't think this would have changed a damn thing.
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Based on what? If all the teachers were armed, you think he would of killed as many as he did? Or even tried it?
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Yes. He kills the teacher in the classroom first, kills the students in the classroom, all before anyone else with a gun is able to figure out what is going on. Because with the weapons he had, he can kill 30 people in 5 minutes.

 
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