How far Left, could a Leftist Left, if a Leftist could Left, Left.

[Danny Bateman]

Shapiro talks quick and articulate, gives dubious statistics, often says "studies show" (without giving specifics on said studies), then demands precise details of people he's debating. Additionally he frames his opponents arguments in a wholly inaccurate manner, much like the ACO dancing tweet. He's quick witted and has made a living off "debating" ill prepared college students. His "Facts don't care about your feelings" trope rings rather hollow when the progressive policies he critiques as "insane" have been proven to work effectively in other first world countries. 

His affiliation with Breitbart, dissemination of racist cartoons ( https://thehill.com/homenews/media/354781-ben-shapiro-apologizes-for-racist-columbus-day-video ) and recent attempts to use charities as pawns to guilt/shame people into doing something, is enough for me to say "No thanks." 

I don't know much  about Shapiro, so feel free to make my $0.02 with a grain or two of salt...

But my impression of him is that he realize his conservative fan base absolutely adores combativeness and clashing with "the libs" as part of their id (or half the videos I see shared of him wouldn't involve some variations of "Ben Shapiro absolutely OWNS/DESTROYS ______!" or

But much like other conservative pundits, it's pretty easy to look cool and competent when your entire career depends on maintaining a relatively controlled environment and toss out any number of pre-formulated arguments to make your opponent look foolish ("debating"). 

He strikes me as a pretty typical conservative pundit with a veneer of intellectualism.

 

[B.B. Hemingway]

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[StPaulHusker]

That’s a very misleading statement.  She didn’t vote to fund ICE specifically.  She voted to fund DHS through early February. DHS includes FEMA, the Coast Guard, Secret Service.  

Its quite possible that she understands that ICE will have to be funded in order to fund other agencies.

 

[B.B. Hemingway]

Its quite possible that she understands that ICE will have to be funded in order to fund other agencies.

Yes.

It's also quite possible she doesn't understand as much.

 

[commando]

That’s a very misleading statement.  She didn’t vote to fund ICE specifically.  She voted to fund DHS through early February. DHS includes FEMA, the Coast Guard, Secret Service.  

Its quite possible that she understands that ICE will have to be funded in order to fund other agencies.

hmmm...who is tougher on immigration?    she voted to fund them all....donnie shut them down.

 

[ZRod]

Yes.

It's also quite possible she doesn't understand as much.

She campaigned on eliminating ICE and creating a new agency in its place. Sounds to me like she's still on the same track, and smart enough not to shutter ICE before there is something better in place.

 

[TGHusker]

She campaigned on eliminating ICE and creating a new agency in its place. Sounds to me like she's still on the same track, and smart enough not to shutter ICE before there is something better in place.

What does she want in its place - what will it look like??  A welcome mat :dunno    perhaps like this:

https://www.welcomingamerica.org/engage/take-action

 

[StPaulHusker]

Yes.

It's also quite possible she doesn't understand as much.

If you want to continue to be influenced by gotcha tweets from people like the one you posted, it's quite possible you know even less than she does.

 

[Nebfanatic]

If you want to continue to be influenced by gotcha tweets from people like the guy's tweet you shared, it's quire possible you know even less than she does.

I think that its entirely factual all of us know less than she does about this issue specifically. 

 

[RedDenver]

What does she want in its place - what will it look like??  A welcome mat :dunno    perhaps like this:

https://www.welcomingamerica.org/engage/take-action

ICE was created in 2003 by combining several agencies. During her campaign AOC said she wanted to split ICE back up into the agencies that were in place before ICE was created.

 

[ZRod]

What does she want in its place - what will it look like??  A welcome mat :dunno    perhaps like this:

https://www.welcomingamerica.org/engage/take-action

I can't say that I've heard her proposa (which doesn't mean she doesn't have one)l, though I'm in favor of scrapping ICE and starting anew. The agency is damaged goods and seems beyond repair. 

 

[B.B. Hemingway]

If you want to continue to be influenced by gotcha tweets from people like the one you posted, it's quite possible you know even less than she does.

:facepalm:

Considering I'm in the Landscaping field, and she's the politician, I sure hope that's the case.

 

[StPaulHusker]

:facepalm:

Considering I'm in the Landscaping field, and she's the politician, I sure hope that's the case.

But you don't believe she is and choose to use tweets by people with an obvious political lean to try and show her lack of knowledge.

 

[knapplc]

Shapiro talks quick and articulate, gives dubious statistics, often says "studies show" (without giving specifics on said studies), then demands precise details of people he's debating. Additionally he frames his opponents arguments in a wholly inaccurate manner, much like the ACO dancing tweet. He's quick witted and has made a living off "debating" ill prepared college students. His "Facts don't care about your feelings" trope rings rather hollow when the progressive policies he critiques as "insane" have been proven to work effectively in other first world countries.  

Not to derail the thread, but this is also a pretty decent description of The Daily Show & John Oliver's show.

 

[B.B. Hemingway]

But you don't believe she is and choose to use tweets by people with an obvious political lean to try and show her lack of knowledge.

I don't think she knows more about political policies than me? When did I say that? I'm quite certain she does, and she most definitely should considering the position she's in. My only issues with AOC is that she has already shown a habit for fibbery. She's admitted that she thinks what feels good, is more important than being factually correct. And her policies fall way too far Left for me.