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B.B. Hemingway said:
There's a narrative out there that the disdain for her from the right is because she's a young, minority woman.
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The problem I have with this statement is the bolded word.  It's the appropriate word.  But, to this point, there is no reason for anyone to have "disdain" for her.  We disagree on issues.  The right is building emotional "disdain" for her to tear her apart.  That's easier to do with their base than to actually discuss issues.

Just an example of what's wrong in Washington.

knapplc said:
Pence had as many gaffes or outright lies in his interviews just this morning, and he doesn't have the excuse of being a political naif.
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And, he should be called out for it.

 
knapplc said:
I'm sure it's a little of both. She's full of the fire of youth, but she needs tempering with age and experience. I'm not sold on her being the next great thing, nor am I ready to dismiss her yet. She's a political freshman. Lots of growing & maturing to do.

  

Pence had as many gaffes or outright lies in his interviews just this morning, and he doesn't have the excuse of being a political naif.

Either she's lying or she's misinformed or she's nervous in the service when the cameras are on. 

I think it's crazy the amount of time people spend talking about her. I think the burnout on her is going to be pretty rapid. Maybe she'll make another dancing video to keep the news cycle fresh.  :D
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I won't come to the defense of Pence, or Trump.

I thought this Shapiro tweet summed up the dancing video pretty well:  ;)


 
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BigRedBuster said:
 The right is building emotional "disdain" for her to tear her apart.  That's easier to do with their base than to actually discuss issues.
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This isn't behavior practiced by the right alone. Eating away at vulnerabilities and vulnerable people is nothing new across the entire spectrum of politics, and I have seen plenty of Republicans (both politicians/pundits) take issue with her policy. 

knapplc said:
I think most reasonable centrists feel about Ben Shapiro the way Ben Shapiro feels about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
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And he's likely smarter, and more articulate than all of them (even if he does have a  weird voice :P )

 
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In a thread with this title, ostensibly to talk about how it's not good for leftists to go too left of left, we're going to speak well of Ben Shapiro? 

It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife.

 
RedDenver said:
Shapiro is extremely disingenuous and no exception in this tweet. The right-wing brought up her dancing video, not the left or the mainstream media.
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I have Shapiro to be pretty sincere when discussing what he believes in. He's no more disingenuous than the next political pundit. I haven't seen any prominent right-winger criticize her for the dancing video. It's entirely possible that I missed it (I don't watch Fox News).

 
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People may well feel Republicans dislike her for her policies, which is fine, but then what do we make of this?

Also, tread lightly. When your response to any policy you don't like is to shout "Socialist!" eventually people are going to stop listening to your warnings. Dems mocked Trump's ideas as ridiculous and unworkable but people still went out and voted on them. IMO AOC's policies have a lot more historical and real-world precedent of actually working than things like travel bans or giant concrete walls.


 
B.B. Hemingway said:
I have Shapiro to be pretty sincere when discussing what he believes in. He's no more disingenuous than the next political pundit. I haven't seen any prominent right-winger criticize her for the dancing video. It's entirely possible that I missed it (I don't watch Fox News).
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Shapiro is getting paid to "own the libs", so it's hard to think he's sincere. Remember he was an editor at Brietbart until 2016.

As for the AOC dancing vid, it came from a now-deleted account and got shared a bunch, so you're right that the more prominent right-wing weren't the ones pushing it.

 
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Clifford Franklin said:
People may well feel Republicans dislike her for her policies, which is fine, but then what do we make of this?

Also, tread lightly. When your response to any policy you don't like is to shout "Socialist!" eventually people are going to stop listening to your warnings. Dems mocked Trump's ideas as ridiculous and unworkable but people still went out and voted on them. IMO AOC's policies have a lot more historical and real-world precedent of actually working than things like travel bans or giant concrete walls.
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A 90 year old white guy? Shocking!

And speaking of being disingenuous. AOC has an open invitation to have a political debate on Shapiro's show.  It's an opportunity she will never take, that much is certain....and so is the reason why.

 
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RedDenver said:
Shapiro is getting paid to "own the libs", so it's hard to think he's sincere. Remember he was an editor at Brietbart until 2016.

As for the AOC dancing vid, it came from a now-delete account and got shared a bunch, so you're right that the more prominent right-wing weren't the ones pushing it.
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I'm well aware of his time at Brietbart. What I appreciate about Shapiro is his willingness to go after the right (and more specifically, Trump) without hesitation. He rarely, if ever, has any 'hot takes'. He's pretty darn consistent from what I can tell, and reasonable, at least from where I stand on the political spectrum.

 
B.B. Hemingway said:
And speaking of being disingenuous. AOC has an open invitation to have a political debate on Shapiro's show.  It's an opportunity she will never take, that much is certain....and so is the reason why.
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Why would she debate Shapiro? That gains her very little and gains Shapiro a lot. Let some of the other politicians debate her in an open forum. No Republican (or establishment Dem for that matter) is going to take that opportunity, that much is certain....and so is the reason why.

 
RedDenver said:
Why would she debate Shapiro? That gains her very little and gains Shapiro a lot. Let some of the other politicians debate her in an open forum. No Republican (or establishment Dem for that matter) is going to take that opportunity, that much is certain....and so is the reason why.
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Well, he did offer $10,000 to a charity of her choice. What she would gain has nothing to do with why she would avoid that opportunity. How terrible Shapiro would make her look has everything to do with it. What did she have to gain by going on the Daily Show? She, like most politicians I suppose, stays, and goes where it's safe.

 
Why are Conservatives so concerned about a Freshman back-bencher?

There's some real head-scratching logic to claim Ben Shapiro would make Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez look "terrible" because, apparently, he's more a policy wonk than she is or she's a fraud or ignorant or... whatever that argument is... but at the same time it's so important to Ben Shapiro to have this nobody on his show that he's floating a five-figure donation to charity to entice her there.

 
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