How far Left, could a Leftist Left, if a Leftist could Left, Left.

B.B. Hemingway said:
And speaking of being disingenuous. AOC has an open invitation to have a political debate on Shapiro's show.  It's an opportunity she will never take, that much is certain....and so is the reason why.
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I would also not debate Shapiro if I was her, or if I was me. It has nothing to do with being disingenuous or not being smart enough or anything like that. Shapiro is seasoned and extremely well-trained in that exact and particular type of thing. She isn't, nor should she be, really. He has all these little tricks and traps and methodologies that are designed to win a debate, not designed to have an open and free conversation about the merits of ideas. They're very different things.

B.B. Hemingway said:
How terrible Shapiro would make her look has everything to do with it. 
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Again, not because she's stupid, or he's some wise sage. He's a master at a particular craft. 

Anyways, I'd love to not talk about AOC being young and naive and making mistakes or Ben Shapiro being an obnoxious a$$ and would love to talk about legitimate dangers of the hyper or radical left if anyone's interested.

 
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B.B. Hemingway said:
Well, he did offer $10,000 to a charity of her choice. What she would gain has nothing to do with why she would avoid that opportunity. How terrible Shapiro would make her look has everything to do with it. What did she have to gain by going on the Daily Show? She, like most politicians I suppose, stays, and goes where it's safe.
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Why would a politician debate a non-politician?  Shapiro loses all credibility and ability to be respected simply by his ties to Breitbart.  The guy might be brilliant.  But, he's also a master at making up crap and making it sound like it's real....and when he says it....people believe it.

He is nothing more than a guy showboating and media mongering with the offer to debate her.  It's stupid and she knows it and she should simply ignore him.

 
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knapplc said:
Why are Conservatives so concerned about a Freshman back-bencher?

There's some real head-scratching logic to claim Ben Shapiro would make Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez look "terrible" because, apparently, he's more a policy wonk than she is or she's a fraud or ignorant or... whatever that argument is... but at the same time it's so important to Ben Shapiro to have this nobody on his show that he's floating a five-figure donation to charity to entice her there.
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Who said she's a nobody?  Outside of her policy, and brief habit for fibbery, I've done nothing but compliment her.  And she was just elected to congress! Isn't it her job to be a policy "wonk"?

 
BigRedBuster said:
Why would a politician debate a non-politician?  Shapiro loses all credibility and ability to be respected simply by his ties to Breitbart.  The guy might be brilliant.  But, he's also a master at making up crap and making it sound like it's real....and when he says it....people believe it.

He is nothing more than a guy showboating and media mongering with the offer to debate her.  It's stupid and she knows it and she should simply ignore him.
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- That's not how things work.

- *Spin cycle*

 
B.B. Hemingway said:
- That's not how things work.

- *Spin cycle*
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Um....yeah...it actually is how it works.  She's in congress now and she needs to be devoting her time there to learning more about the issues and debating people within that group.  

Shapiro is no more than a gnat that needs swatted away at this point to her or any other politician.  If there's a press conference and he's there to ask questions...fine.  Other than that, any sort of threat to debate him is nothing more than him being a media whore.

 
knapplc said:
Do you believe every elected official needs to be a policy wonk from day one? Because if so, whooooooo boy do we have some discussin' to do about the Republicans.
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You're overestimating how much party loyalty means to me. I have no loyalty to the Republican party, so the "yeah but the GOP" responses by some (not just you) aren't hitting home.

 
BigRedBuster said:
Um....yeah...it actually is how it works.  She's in congress now and she needs to be devoting her time there to learning more about the issues and debating people within that group.  

Shapiro is no more than a gnat that needs swatted away at this point to her or any other politician.  If there's a press conference and he's there to ask questions...fine.  Other than that, any sort of threat to debate him is nothing more than him being a media whore.
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It's always comical when people are so matter-of-fact about people's intentions. I believe he's doing it to shine light on her ineptitude, and socialist policies.

 
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knapplc said:
Do you believe every elected official needs to be a policy wonk from day one?
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At this level? Yeah, I'd just assume that you know what the hell you're talking about, or at the very least not pretend to know. If not, it's no more than a popularity contest. And for the sake of balance, this applies to Trump as well. (Whom I didn't vote for, because I think he's deplorable, and I don't care about party allegiances, which I can further prove by the fact that despite being a Conservative, I have never voted for an 'R' presidential candidate).

 
This thread is actually a great microcosm of one of my least favorite things about progressives and moderates/independents. You can try to start a conversation about something other than how much of a dips#!t Trump is or how morally bankrupt the GOP is, for once, and it will immediately get submarined back into "yeah, but, the Republicans" and then devolve into people purposefully mischaracterizing each other and having an anal retentive attitude towards someone else's word choice, the words they didn't choose, errors/omissions, etc. and then go into this tennis match of, "No, I didn't say that, so stop saying ________" or, "Please provide a link for such claim" back and forth and back and forth and over and over again.

Another least favorite thing of mine towards the left is the over-obsession with identity politics and reverse oppression olympics hierarchies. Which I tried to open up an opportunity for conversation towards in here. But, you know, that's not as fun as using everything as an opportunity to s#!t on conservatives I guess.

 
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