***** Official Election Game Day Thread *****

Born N Bled Red said:
This is kind of what I thought all along. While I think Harris will be fine, I don't think she helped the campaign at all. California was already going Dem. Picking Stacy Abrams or other huge swing state qualified candidate could have been a game changer. 
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I thought of this last night also - Harris doesn't bring Biden any real help which makes me think Harris was forced on to him by the  DNC as some people had noted (perhaps Russian disinformation)  I thought Demmings would have made a difference in Florida, Bottoms in Georgia (as wells as Abrams but I think Atlanta mayor Bottoms would have been a better draw) and the Michigan governor would have been a big help in Mich (which Joe may carry regardless).

 
I can't believe how close this is.  AP projections looked to favor Trump slightly last night, this morning Biden could take Mich and Wiscy and PA won't even matter.  And Nevada being this close  :o

 
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Enhance said:
I know more people who chose NOT to vote for Biden because of Harris than voted FOR Biden because of Harris. I'm not a fan of Harris' either (at all, in fact) but I personally still feel more comfortable with them than I do Trump.
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If whomever wins President doesn't fulfill their full term, would you be more comfortable with her or Pence?

 
Redux said:
I can't believe how close this is.  AP projections looked to favor Trump slightly last night, this morning Biden could take Mich and Wiscy and PA won't even matter.  And Nevada being this close  :o
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I'm slowly starting to regain a small smidgen of faith in the American people.

 
BigRedBuster said:
If whomever wins President doesn't fulfill their full term, would you be more comfortable with her or Pence?
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I don't know if I have a good answer. VP's don't weight heavily into my overall voting methodology. I'm typically more interested in policy and potential (or current) cabinet members. I might give a slight lean to Pence in terms of 'comfortability,' but that's not enough of a determining factor to want to support Trump (if that makes sense).

 
Just had a thought that I've co opted from the Internet.

IMO the reason that Trump did better than expected in some areas is down to two things:

1. We're at the point with COVID that people are sick of hearing about it and just want to keep their normal lives going. So while Trump has completely bungled the response, we're passed the initial "freaking out" phase and the public absolutely knows that there won't be another lockdown with Trump. So they voted for him.

2. The other big story, George Floyd and the protests after, allowed Trump to play himself as a law and order President. Someone who will back the police, because they protect the normal people. While the Democrat messaging optics was Police Reform, Police Defunding, etc... One of the Eastman attack ads was basically saying Democrats will allow violent protesters out of prison for no reason other than that they're protesting.

Bottom line, though, is that there is a lot of misinformation presented as fact on the Internet.

 
Biden is predicted to win MI, PA, and WI at this time. He doesn't need Arizona, nor Georgia, nor Nevada to have enough electoral votes, although it would be nice if he got them so Trump needs to win more lawsuits.

That said, there are an estimated 190,000 votes left in Nevada and Biden is up by < 8,000, and 175,000 of those votes are in the counties Biden leads. 

 
Moiraine said:
Biden is predicted to win MI, PA, and WI at this time. He doesn't need Arizona, nor Georgia, nor Nevada to have enough electoral votes, although it would be nice if he got them so Trump needs to win more lawsuits.

That said, there are an estimated 190,000 votes left in Nevada and Biden is up by < 8,000, and 175,000 of those votes are in the counties Biden leads. 
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He needs to run up the score as much as possible to take the air out of the lawsuits that are going to be filed. 

 
whateveritis1224 said:
Just had a thought that I've co opted from the Internet.

IMO the reason that Trump did better than expected in some areas is down to two things:

1. We're at the point with COVID that people are sick of hearing about it and just want to keep their normal lives going. So while Trump has completely bungled the response, we're passed the initial "freaking out" phase and the public absolutely knows that there won't be another lockdown with Trump. So they voted for him.

2. The other big story, George Floyd and the protests after, allowed Trump to play himself as a law and order President. Someone who will back the police, because they protect the normal people. While the Democrat messaging optics was Police Reform, Police Defunding, etc... One of the Eastman attack ads was basically saying Democrats will allow violent protesters out of prison for no reason other than that they're protesting.

Bottom line, though, is that there is a lot of misinformation presented as fact on the Internet.
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Trump has done a great job of playing to the fears of his base.  That's why he constantly goes to immigration reform, law and order, violent protests, etc.

 
whateveritis1224 said:
Bottom line, though, is that there is a lot of misinformation presented as fact on the Internet.
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True, and if these last two elections have taught me anything, it is that I don't think I have a strong enough gauge of why Americans feel the way they do about certain candidates.

For example, many would argue (and perhaps fairly so) that a vote for Trump means a vote for supporting racism. Do I think 67+ million people think that? No, I do not.

Similarly, I do not think Trump has been an objectively good president. He has certainly had successes but has simultaneously fallen flat on a number of key initiatives and promises he made for his first term. He is also not a good global ambassador for this country. But, clearly, a lot of people don't think that matters much... when to me, it matters quite a bit.

 
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