OWH: Bo Pelini insults A.D. Shawn Eichorst in expletive-filled rant during final meeting with players

[papersun87]

So you think Osborne is lying?

No, I think Osborne is declining to air his grievances.

as well he should.

festivus is next week.

 

[Saunders]

How do you feel about him lying about the circumstances of Osborne's departure?

I don't believe for one second that he lied about that. Did he go off the rails in other areas? Yeah. But, there was quite a bit of smoke regarding Harvey when Osborne abruptly announced his retirement. Harvey has quite the ego, and we know Tom won't throw anyone under the bus.

So you think Osborne is lying?

He resigned in leu of being forced out. It's a technicality, but it's not a lie.

Q: Were you forced out as A.D.?

Osborne: “I wasn’t forced out. I resigned. And that’s the end of the story.”

I don't trust Harvey at all, and I have little trust in Shawn.

And apparently no trust in Tom Osborne either. Everyone is a liar.

He didn't lie. He was very deliberate in his response.

You are saying he was very deliberate in his response, then read the whole thing. "I wasn't forced out." Either he's lying, or Bo is.


But I think I get it. Harvey Perlman kicked your puppy and you hate him for it.

I didn't know you were Drax.

 

[alexhortdog95]

Osborne debunked Bo Pelini's lie that he was "forced out" of the Athletic Director position:

Do you think he would say anything different if it was actually true though? Tom was supposed to be around for a couple years originally. He ended up there for what...4 or 5? I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't given a little shove towards the end...and frankly I don't have much of a problem w/ that if it happened. This whole idea that Tom is some divine Nebraskan, is BS. He was a great coach. Everything else since then has been judged completely based on that success.

Tom Osborne routinely told us that Saturday's game against Mother Mary the Blessed Southwest Tech was going to be "tough" and "they're a really good football team." And then we'd beat them 63-7. So the idea that Tom would exaggerate the truth or somehow stretch the truth to make his point isn't completely unbelievable.

However, that he might be stretching the truth in this instance isn't a good enough reason to ignore his words. It lends itself to tinfoil hats and bogeymen.

Tis' coach speak, my friend.

 

[knapplc]

Actually, no. My "tangent" had to do with a dysfunctional athletic department. Of which he helped create.

Which is based off not one hard fact. It is based off rumor, "insiders" and interpretation.

 

[sd'sker]

Matthew Hanson from the OWH with some great observations, via twitter.

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

There are reasons to criticize Harvey Perlman & UNL. There are reasons to praise him. Virtually none of it has anything to do with football.
Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

A plea: Quit looking through lens of football to judge leaders of Nebraska public universities. It makes you look silly and it makes me sad.

He's right. Since Harvey Pearlman was hired in 2001, we've seen Nebraska go from the top of the Collegiate (and Athletic) world, to a middle tier Big Ten school. We've been kicked out of the AAU. We've had a completely disfunctional athletic department for 12 years, have hired/fired/rehired/and fired all sorts of underlings. The last decade plus has been a constant struggle for progress and we've cleaned house three times now, and yet one variable remains...

If we're intent on cleaning house and fixing the problems, there's but one solution.

LOL. We were at the top of the collegiate world before Perlman was hired in 2001?! HAHAHA. Atheltic world? Football, we were close to the top at that point, but obviously slipping. But the collegiate world in terms of everything that goes into a major research university??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I stopped reading at that point because literally nothing you say can be taken seriously after that.

Quick, who was the only school to ever get kicked out of the AAU, and who was in charge?

so his worst, actual offense is not football related?

i think that is the point.

Which is why I said "he's right" ...

... then you went on a tangent, the majority of which had to do with athletics, specifically football.

Actually, no. My "tangent" had to do with a dysfunctional athletic department. Of which he helped create.

and the tweet you agreed with:

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

There are reasons to criticize Harvey Perlman & UNL. There are reasons to praise him. Virtually none of it has anything to do with football.

then you specifically mention football and the athletic department. which other than football, is in pretty good shape. and even considering football is still in pretty good shape. whatever problems have been with the football program seem solely the fault of bo. i do not get the impression that any other coach has the same problems as bo did with eichorst.

and i think eichorst has been doing the best he can given the circumstances. i also very much agree with this sentiment:

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

A plea: Quit looking through lens of football to judge leaders of Nebraska public universities. It makes you look silly and it makes me sad.

 

[knapplc]

Osborne debunked Bo Pelini's lie that he was "forced out" of the Athletic Director position:

Do you think he would say anything different if it was actually true though? Tom was supposed to be around for a couple years originally. He ended up there for what...4 or 5? I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't given a little shove towards the end...and frankly I don't have much of a problem w/ that if it happened. This whole idea that Tom is some divine Nebraskan, is BS. He was a great coach. Everything else since then has been judged completely based on that success.

Tom Osborne routinely told us that Saturday's game against Mother Mary the Blessed Southwest Tech was going to be "tough" and "they're a really good football team." And then we'd beat them 63-7. So the idea that Tom would exaggerate the truth or somehow stretch the truth to make his point isn't completely unbelievable.

However, that he might be stretching the truth in this instance isn't a good enough reason to ignore his words. It lends itself to tinfoil hats and bogeymen.

Tis' coach speak, my friend.

In the absence of hard fact, this statement is more credible than speculation.

 

[Saunders]

Osborne debunked Bo Pelini's lie that he was "forced out" of the Athletic Director position:

Do you think he would say anything different if it was actually true though? Tom was supposed to be around for a couple years originally. He ended up there for what...4 or 5? I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't given a little shove towards the end...and frankly I don't have much of a problem w/ that if it happened. This whole idea that Tom is some divine Nebraskan, is BS. He was a great coach. Everything else since then has been judged completely based on that success.

Tom Osborne routinely told us that Saturday's game against Mother Mary the Blessed Southwest Tech was going to be "tough" and "they're a really good football team." And then we'd beat them 63-7. So the idea that Tom would exaggerate the truth or somehow stretch the truth to make his point isn't completely unbelievable.

However, that he might be stretching the truth in this instance isn't a good enough reason to ignore his words. It lends itself to tinfoil hats and bogeymen.

http://www.huskerboard.com/index.php?/topic/61298-11am-ct-presser-today/page-3&do=findComment&comment=1019561

 

[kchusker_chris]

Tom Osborne routinely told us that Saturday's game against Mother Mary the Blessed Southwest Tech was going to be "tough" and "they're a really good football team." And then we'd beat them 63-7. So the idea that Tom would exaggerate the truth or somehow stretch the truth to make his point isn't completely unbelievable.

However, that he might be stretching the truth in this instance isn't a good enough reason to ignore his words. It lends itself to tinfoil hats and bogeymen.

I'm just saying that even if they had escorted Tom out w/ campus police - throwing his sh#t out his office window down onto the parking lot below...he still would have given the same statement he just did. Everything in between that extreme and a giant parade in downtown Lincoln, with flags at half-staff and the city shut down would yield the EXACT same response. He's not going to stir up anything more over something that is in the past and already done.

 

[Saunders]

Actually, no. My "tangent" had to do with a dysfunctional athletic department. Of which he helped create.

Which is based off not one hard fact. It is based off rumor, "insiders" and interpretation.

What about the Pedersen/Callahan, Osborne/Pelini debacle is rumor and speculation?

 

[Saunders]

Tom Osborne routinely told us that Saturday's game against Mother Mary the Blessed Southwest Tech was going to be "tough" and "they're a really good football team." And then we'd beat them 63-7. So the idea that Tom would exaggerate the truth or somehow stretch the truth to make his point isn't completely unbelievable.

However, that he might be stretching the truth in this instance isn't a good enough reason to ignore his words. It lends itself to tinfoil hats and bogeymen.

I'm just saying that even if they had escorted Tom out w/ campus police - throwing his sh#t out his office window down onto the parking lot below...he still would have given the same statement he just did. Everything in between that extreme and a giant parade in downtown Lincoln, with flags at half-staff and the city shut down would yield the EXACT same response. He's not going to stir up anything more over something that is in the past and already done.

Bingo.

 

[Redux]

how long do interim AD's usually stick around?

Wasn't the interim title temporary, and he became a true AD in the spring after the transition.

i do not remember. i just always thought it was a temporary arrangement to clean house, stabilize, and move on.
just seemed like after that, it was just a matter of find the right permanent guy.

Were talking about Tom here? He was named the AD after numb nuts was fired and he then fired Billy. He was named interim coach until he hired a new one.

 

[knapplc]

Tom Osborne routinely told us that Saturday's game against Mother Mary the Blessed Southwest Tech was going to be "tough" and "they're a really good football team." And then we'd beat them 63-7. So the idea that Tom would exaggerate the truth or somehow stretch the truth to make his point isn't completely unbelievable.

However, that he might be stretching the truth in this instance isn't a good enough reason to ignore his words. It lends itself to tinfoil hats and bogeymen.

http://www.huskerboard.com/index.php?/topic/61298-11am-ct-presser-today/page-3&do=findComment&comment=1019561

I can't fathom why you'd quote that, because even in a vacuum it doesn't say what you've been saying in this thread. You also (conveniently) omitted several other posts of mine in that thread, many of which explain what I was concerned with, and why Tom actually retired.

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[NUpolo8]

Actually, no. My "tangent" had to do with a dysfunctional athletic department. Of which he helped create.

Which is based off not one hard fact. It is based off rumor, "insiders" and interpretation.

What about the Pedersen/Callahan, Osborne/Pelini debacle is rumor and speculation?

A groupthinker once the rest of the group has come to their senses and walked away is a tortured soul.

 

[Saunders]

Matthew Hanson from the OWH with some great observations, via twitter.

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

There are reasons to criticize Harvey Perlman & UNL. There are reasons to praise him. Virtually none of it has anything to do with football.
Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

A plea: Quit looking through lens of football to judge leaders of Nebraska public universities. It makes you look silly and it makes me sad.

He's right. Since Harvey Pearlman was hired in 2001, we've seen Nebraska go from the top of the Collegiate (and Athletic) world, to a middle tier Big Ten school. We've been kicked out of the AAU. We've had a completely disfunctional athletic department for 12 years, have hired/fired/rehired/and fired all sorts of underlings. The last decade plus has been a constant struggle for progress and we've cleaned house three times now, and yet one variable remains...

If we're intent on cleaning house and fixing the problems, there's but one solution.

LOL. We were at the top of the collegiate world before Perlman was hired in 2001?! HAHAHA. Atheltic world? Football, we were close to the top at that point, but obviously slipping. But the collegiate world in terms of everything that goes into a major research university??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I stopped reading at that point because literally nothing you say can be taken seriously after that.

Quick, who was the only school to ever get kicked out of the AAU, and who was in charge?

so his worst, actual offense is not football related?

i think that is the point.

Which is why I said "he's right" ...

... then you went on a tangent, the majority of which had to do with athletics, specifically football.

Actually, no. My "tangent" had to do with a dysfunctional athletic department. Of which he helped create.

and the tweet you agreed with:

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

There are reasons to criticize Harvey Perlman & UNL. There are reasons to praise him. Virtually none of it has anything to do with football.

then you specifically mention football and the athletic department. which other than football, is in pretty good shape. and even considering football is still in pretty good shape. whatever problems have been with the football program seem solely the fault of bo. i do not get the impression that any other coach has the same problems as bo did with eichorst.

and i think eichorst has been doing the best he can giving the circumstances. i also very much agree with this sentiment:

Matthew Hansen @redcloud_scribe

A plea: Quit looking through lens of football to judge leaders of Nebraska public universities. It makes you look silly and it makes me sad.

I'm not talking about today. I'm talking about the last 12 years.

 

[Saunders]

Tom Osborne routinely told us that Saturday's game against Mother Mary the Blessed Southwest Tech was going to be "tough" and "they're a really good football team." And then we'd beat them 63-7. So the idea that Tom would exaggerate the truth or somehow stretch the truth to make his point isn't completely unbelievable.

However, that he might be stretching the truth in this instance isn't a good enough reason to ignore his words. It lends itself to tinfoil hats and bogeymen.

http://www.huskerboard.com/index.php?/topic/61298-11am-ct-presser-today/page-3&do=findComment&comment=1019561

I can't fathom why you'd quote that, because even in a vacuum it doesn't say what you've been saying in this thread. You also (conveniently) omitted several other posts of mine in that thread, many of which explain what I was concerned with, and why Tom actually retired.

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Fine. I misquoted. My apologies.