Sipple puts the talent argument to bed

[Branno]

The Missouri Valley Conference isn't that easy to win. It has several teams that would destroy most FBS teams.

Hyperbolize much?

There are 128 FBS teams. I'd say between Illinois State, North Dakota State, and South Dakota State they would be favored to win against at least 103 of those teams.

It's not hyperbole if it's true.

 

[Danny Bateman]

Building talent on a roster takes longer than 8 months. You develop talent over a couple of seasons.

Just flat out wrong. There is no truth in what you said and never has been.

Harbaugh and Meyer.

That argument is so tired.

Michigan and Ohio State =/= Nebraska.

 

[Mierin]

Building talent on a roster takes longer than 8 months. You develop talent over a couple of seasons.

Just flat out wrong. There is no truth in what you said and never has been.

Harbaugh and Meyer.

Both of those teams had top 5 and top 10 recruiting classes in recent years before those coaches arrived. Not relevant.

 

[Husker Psycho]

Building talent on a roster takes longer than 8 months. You develop talent over a couple of seasons.

Just flat out wrong. There is no truth in what you said and never has been.

Harbaugh and Meyer.

Both of those teams had top 5 and top 10 recruiting classes in recent years before those coaches arrived. Not relevant.

We are 3-6

Ranked 65th in the nation.

Quite a ways below our recruiting rankings.

 

[Red Five]

The Missouri Valley Conference isn't that easy to win. It has several teams that would destroy most FBS teams.

Hyperbolize much?

There are 128 FBS teams. I'd say between Illinois State, North Dakota State, and South Dakota State they would be favored to win against at least 103 of those teams.

It's not hyperbole if it's true.

SDSU beat Kansas by 3.

You also said "destroy", not favored. And no chance those teams are favored over 103 FBS teams. Utterly laughable.

 

[huskerfan74]

We are not suddenly.....as in the first year Pelini is gone........void of talent after Pelini won 9+ games per year for 7 straight seasons.

Nate Gerry, for example, was being mentioned for all conference honors under Pelini......same with Maliek. Enter coach Riley.

Gerry and Collins didn't lose talent or forget how to play football.

Our administration has made some of the worst decisions in the history of college football. No other.....and I mean NO OTHER......football program has made the inept decisions that have been made at the University of Nebraska.

Florida, with the FIRST YEAR COACH just won their division with the same talent as last year's. Why wont the delusional fans admit that our administration and their piss poor choice of coaches has led to the disaster that is this year. Unfortunately, the worst is still to come.

 

[Whs from cb]

There was enough talent on this roster to sleep walk to a six win season and go to a bowl. This lack of talent crap is a joke.

Agree 100%. This discussion would not be taking place if we would have won the close games we lost. I think we can say that poor decisions have lead to losses. Not lack of talent on the team.

 

[zoogs]

Nebraska has not been that far from second-tier P5 talent for the past couple of years. Not knocking those teams -- they often have some good players. So has Nebraska. When you get to the consistently Top 20, Top 15 teams in the country, it's another level of talent.

It's not a team bereft of talent, nor is it a team that should be 3-6. That's on a combination of coaching, acclimation period, bad luck, and injuries.

However, it is a team similar in talent level to the ho-hum '13 and '14 squads, but crucially missing a superstar playmaker in AA on offense -- and one of the few impact players it had in RG4 on defense. The WRs have been decent; thank goodness, despite losing KB and also a healthy DPE for basically, the season.

It's a team that has not had the depth to deal with all the injuries and suspensions it has incurred. That's the most difficult thing to understand about this discussion. Sure, you can find reasons to be unhappy about our coaches. But folks are tallying up talent level on the team either based on recruiting stars only, or completely ignoring whether that talent they are touting as even been available in our losses this year.

Ultimately, minds aren't changing here. If you aren't happy with the coaches, this is a talented team that they, and not the previous staff who has been more responsible for said talent's development so far, are squandering. If you want to give the coaches a chance, you understand that managing a roster, recruiting to fill it, and developing/adjusting players is a process that can take time.

 

[PaulCrewe]

I assume that a few schools (Setting the O/U at 3.5) will come after and offer Riley at the end of the season. Seasoned coach, well respected, does more with less and beats bit time teams.

This is comical. We're talking reputable programs right??? Under. All day. Under.

This year though he has done less with more. He may once in a half decade beat a good team, but his brainfart losses to horrible teams are much more frequent.

 

[Mierin]

Building talent on a roster takes longer than 8 months. You develop talent over a couple of seasons.

Just flat out wrong. There is no truth in what you said and never has been.

Harbaugh and Meyer.

Both of those teams had top 5 and top 10 recruiting classes in recent years before those coaches arrived. Not relevant.

We are 3-6

Ranked 65th in the nation.

Quite a ways below our recruiting rankings.

Smart as a whip.
Doesn't make your comparison good.

 

[84HuskerLaw]

In terms of evaluating talent, it really doesn't necessarily matter where the players come from (Nebraska vs all over the country). I think the best indicator of the relative talent of a team's players as compared to their opponents/peers would be the numbers of selections to the various all conference and similar teams after the season's over. I think you will find a dramatic decline in the number of all conference (1st, second and hon mention) honorees at Nebraska over the past 20 years. This will be a strong indicator that our recruiting is not competitive with the rest of the conference and country nationally.

 

[cm husker]

Nebraska has not been that far from second-tier P5 talent for the past couple of years. Not knocking those teams -- they often have some good players. So has Nebraska. When you get to the consistently Top 20, Top 15 teams in the country, it's another level of talent.

It's not a team bereft of talent, nor is it a team that should be 3-6. That's on a combination of coaching, acclimation period, bad luck, and injuries.

However, it is a team similar in talent level to the ho-hum '13 and '14 squads, but crucially missing a superstar playmaker in AA on offense -- and one of the few impact players it had in RG4 on defense. The WRs have been decent; thank goodness, despite losing KB and also a healthy DPE for basically, the season.

It's a team that has not had the depth to deal with all the injuries and suspensions it has incurred. That's the most difficult thing to understand about this discussion. Sure, you can find reasons to be unhappy about our coaches. But folks are tallying up talent level on the team either based on recruiting stars only, or completely ignoring whether that talent they are touting as even been available in our losses this year.

Ultimately, minds aren't changing here. If you aren't happy with the coaches, this is a talented team that they, and not the previous staff who has been more responsible for said talent's development so far, are squandering. If you want to give the coaches a chance, you understand that managing a roster, recruiting to fill it, and developing/adjusting players is a process that can take time.

Question: do you consider MSU 2nd tier talent wise?

 

[Bowfin]

Well...NU has less coaching depth...does that count?

Banker and Stewart look good in practice, and Riley doesn't like to substitute coaches...he wants them to coach together to build chemistry and to get into a rhythm...

 

[Branno]

The Missouri Valley Conference isn't that easy to win. It has several teams that would destroy most FBS teams.

Hyperbolize much?

There are 128 FBS teams. I'd say between Illinois State, North Dakota State, and South Dakota State they would be favored to win against at least 103 of those teams. It's not hyperbole if it's true.

SDSU beat Kansas by 3.
You also said "destroy", not favored. And no chance those teams are favored over 103 FBS teams. Utterly laughable.

So because one game was close its utterly laughable? Nebraska would have multiple conference losses in the MVC. And that's a fact.

 

[Count 'Bility]

I think i saw a tweet yesterday by someone that were only suiting up 57 scholly players on the 105 tonight. If this is true, does anyone with any roster sense understand how embarrasingly abysmal that is?

But yeah. Lots of talent.

Anyone with roster sense would realize that the vast majority of teams have at least 28 scholarship players that are redshirting or injured.

redshirts still suit up for the 105 for home games.