Spring Position Battles - Quarterback

[Mavric]

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[Mavric]

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[Mavric]

Doesn't help that for the second straight year, our starter had the third-best completion percentage in the game....

 

[Mavric]

 

[Enhance]

Doesn't help that for the second straight year, our starter had the third-best completion percentage in the game....

TA will likely only be a 57 or 58 percent passer in 2016. I know some may try to push a different narrative, but if you look at quarterbacks throughout the country, they often improve somewhere in the 3-to-5 percentage range (in terms of completion percentage) from year-to-year. I don't think it's common for them make a more significant jump than that.

It goes without saying, but if they're going to win with TA, it's going to have to be partly due to what he is capable of accomplishing with his feet. I think they know that and will probably try to run him 8-10 times a game. I, personally, would like to see him throwing 25, no more than 30 times. If he is throwing more than 30 times, that means we're either in a bad position or our run-game is ineffective.

 

[Mavric]

Bringing back the Eric Crouch White Man Juke ™

 

[cm husker]

I've never seen anyone, of any color, accelerate through a cut like crouch could. That doesn't quite measure up. But that's a funny tweet.

 

[Elf]

As I said before, plenty of blame to go around for that play, both players and coaches. But none if it seems like ineptitude to me as much as it seems like a cascading series of bad breaks (players getting the play wrong, coaches not noticing in time to call a time out, TA not taking the sack, Ozigbo not being able to catch the ball that was slightly behind him). Anyone of those 4 things go right, then Nebraska probably wins the game, but all 4 went wrong.

But to me, it seems pretty unfair to assign inordinate amounts of blame on the coaches for not calling a timeout in response to the wrong formation, as you can clearly see the players are still rushing to get to the line right before TA snapped the ball. It's not like they were just sitting there in formation, waiting for him to snap it, they were just breaking the huddle with 6 on the play clock and getting to the line with 3. Here's the link again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZ5ovK30G0?t=2h13m53s

EDIT: watching it once more, I can't help but think that TA thinks he's going to be handing the ball off to Ozigbo. Look at the way he shifts the ball awkwardly between hands to throw it. Maybe we'll never really know for sure what happened on that play.

On 3rd and 7 Tommy has a wide open Ozigbo and he can't deliver the pass in front of his receiver. If he does that, its 1st down Nebraska and game over for Illinois.
If Tommy does his job on 3rd and 7 none of the rest of this matters. I don't expect Tommy to be perfect but if we're going to dissect the coaching performance then there is nothing wrong with dissecting the players performance either.

Wait, so now he was supposed to pass it? You guys should really align your arguments.
And yeah, to the next poster, when you blame a player who threw an incomplete pass on 3rd and 7 while there was mass confusion on the field created by a play call, yes that is scapegoating the player.

Let's also not forget that it wasn't like he threw a pick six. There's no excuse for a staff having NU in a 13-7 game late with Illinois and then not being able to put together a defensive stand to close things out.

It's freaking Illinois.

But people want to focus on one play and one player's preceived fault rather than the systemic issues that put that game in doubt in the first place.

A bad play call, formation not set, those things don't cause Tommy to throw behind his receiver. Tommy had plenty of time and his receiver was wide open. All he had to do was deliver the ball in front of his receiver and he couldn't do it. Stop blaming everyone except the one man who could have executed but didn't. And maybe you should stop making excuses for our quarterback, the man makes mistakes far to often.

 

[Elf]

Yup, coaches made some mistakes in that game.

Is it impossible for you to admit Tommy made a lot of mistakes?

He made no more than a standard number that most players make, including a number of guys who made a similar mistake on that play. Again, he was going for a first down on 3rd and 7 with a minute left. I don't think it's as boneheaded as you are painting it.

Now, the mistake the coaches made was boneheaded, and it was a nonstandard error.

What exactly is this standard number of errors that most players make?

Standard? Probably 4 to 6 per game, of varying degrees of consequence.

And who came up with this "standard"?

Basing that off of what a lot of guys did in terms of grades at Nebraska and when I was playing. Perfect assignment games were very very rare.

So its just some bs you made up?

No. I think about 4-6 busted assignments is pretty standard based on my experience. 2 or less is pretty outstanding. Perfect is super rare.

Look back at some of tenopirs grading sheets and you'll get a better sense of what's typical.

So it IS just some bs you made up. Thanks for clarifying that for us.

 

[Elf]

everyone needs to stop feeding the troll

Just because someone disagrees with your opinion doesn't make them a troll.

The person in question IS a troll.

 

[cm husker]

As I said before, plenty of blame to go around for that play, both players and coaches. But none if it seems like ineptitude to me as much as it seems like a cascading series of bad breaks (players getting the play wrong, coaches not noticing in time to call a time out, TA not taking the sack, Ozigbo not being able to catch the ball that was slightly behind him). Anyone of those 4 things go right, then Nebraska probably wins the game, but all 4 went wrong.

But to me, it seems pretty unfair to assign inordinate amounts of blame on the coaches for not calling a timeout in response to the wrong formation, as you can clearly see the players are still rushing to get to the line right before TA snapped the ball. It's not like they were just sitting there in formation, waiting for him to snap it, they were just breaking the huddle with 6 on the play clock and getting to the line with 3. Here's the link again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZ5ovK30G0?t=2h13m53s

EDIT: watching it once more, I can't help but think that TA thinks he's going to be handing the ball off to Ozigbo. Look at the way he shifts the ball awkwardly between hands to throw it. Maybe we'll never really know for sure what happened on that play.

On 3rd and 7 Tommy has a wide open Ozigbo and he can't deliver the pass in front of his receiver. If he does that, its 1st down Nebraska and game over for Illinois.
If Tommy does his job on 3rd and 7 none of the rest of this matters. I don't expect Tommy to be perfect but if we're going to dissect the coaching performance then there is nothing wrong with dissecting the players performance either.

Wait, so now he was supposed to pass it? You guys should really align your arguments.
And yeah, to the next poster, when you blame a player who threw an incomplete pass on 3rd and 7 while there was mass confusion on the field created by a play call, yes that is scapegoating the player.

Let's also not forget that it wasn't like he threw a pick six. There's no excuse for a staff having NU in a 13-7 game late with Illinois and then not being able to put together a defensive stand to close things out.

It's freaking Illinois.

But people want to focus on one play and one player's preceived fault rather than the systemic issues that put that game in doubt in the first place.

A bad play call, formation not set, those things don't cause Tommy to throw behind his receiver. Tommy had plenty of time and his receiver was wide open. All he had to do was deliver the ball in front of his receiver and he couldn't do it. Stop blaming everyone except the one man who could have executed but didn't. And maybe you should stop making excuses for our quarterback, the man makes mistakes far to often.

Plenty of irony packed into that little sentence.

 

[GBRFAN]

There goes the +1's again.

 

[Elf]

As I said before, plenty of blame to go around for that play, both players and coaches. But none if it seems like ineptitude to me as much as it seems like a cascading series of bad breaks (players getting the play wrong, coaches not noticing in time to call a time out, TA not taking the sack, Ozigbo not being able to catch the ball that was slightly behind him). Anyone of those 4 things go right, then Nebraska probably wins the game, but all 4 went wrong.

But to me, it seems pretty unfair to assign inordinate amounts of blame on the coaches for not calling a timeout in response to the wrong formation, as you can clearly see the players are still rushing to get to the line right before TA snapped the ball. It's not like they were just sitting there in formation, waiting for him to snap it, they were just breaking the huddle with 6 on the play clock and getting to the line with 3. Here's the link again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZ5ovK30G0?t=2h13m53s

EDIT: watching it once more, I can't help but think that TA thinks he's going to be handing the ball off to Ozigbo. Look at the way he shifts the ball awkwardly between hands to throw it. Maybe we'll never really know for sure what happened on that play.

On 3rd and 7 Tommy has a wide open Ozigbo and he can't deliver the pass in front of his receiver. If he does that, its 1st down Nebraska and game over for Illinois.
If Tommy does his job on 3rd and 7 none of the rest of this matters. I don't expect Tommy to be perfect but if we're going to dissect the coaching performance then there is nothing wrong with dissecting the players performance either.

Wait, so now he was supposed to pass it? You guys should really align your arguments.
And yeah, to the next poster, when you blame a player who threw an incomplete pass on 3rd and 7 while there was mass confusion on the field created by a play call, yes that is scapegoating the player.

Let's also not forget that it wasn't like he threw a pick six. There's no excuse for a staff having NU in a 13-7 game late with Illinois and then not being able to put together a defensive stand to close things out.

It's freaking Illinois.

But people want to focus on one play and one player's preceived fault rather than the systemic issues that put that game in doubt in the first place.

A bad play call, formation not set, those things don't cause Tommy to throw behind his receiver. Tommy had plenty of time and his receiver was wide open. All he had to do was deliver the ball in front of his receiver and he couldn't do it. Stop blaming everyone except the one man who could have executed but didn't. And maybe you should stop making excuses for our quarterback, the man makes mistakes far to often.

Plenty of irony packed into that little sentence.

Please quote me where I've made excuses for anyone on the team, players or coaches. I'll wait patiently.

 

[Elf]

There goes the +1's again.

There is always one person that abuses the "like" or "+1" systems. Always.

 

[cm husker]

As I said before, plenty of blame to go around for that play, both players and coaches. But none if it seems like ineptitude to me as much as it seems like a cascading series of bad breaks (players getting the play wrong, coaches not noticing in time to call a time out, TA not taking the sack, Ozigbo not being able to catch the ball that was slightly behind him). Anyone of those 4 things go right, then Nebraska probably wins the game, but all 4 went wrong.

But to me, it seems pretty unfair to assign inordinate amounts of blame on the coaches for not calling a timeout in response to the wrong formation, as you can clearly see the players are still rushing to get to the line right before TA snapped the ball. It's not like they were just sitting there in formation, waiting for him to snap it, they were just breaking the huddle with 6 on the play clock and getting to the line with 3. Here's the link again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZ5ovK30G0?t=2h13m53s

EDIT: watching it once more, I can't help but think that TA thinks he's going to be handing the ball off to Ozigbo. Look at the way he shifts the ball awkwardly between hands to throw it. Maybe we'll never really know for sure what happened on that play.

On 3rd and 7 Tommy has a wide open Ozigbo and he can't deliver the pass in front of his receiver. If he does that, its 1st down Nebraska and game over for Illinois.
If Tommy does his job on 3rd and 7 none of the rest of this matters. I don't expect Tommy to be perfect but if we're going to dissect the coaching performance then there is nothing wrong with dissecting the players performance either.

Wait, so now he was supposed to pass it? You guys should really align your arguments.
And yeah, to the next poster, when you blame a player who threw an incomplete pass on 3rd and 7 while there was mass confusion on the field created by a play call, yes that is scapegoating the player.

Let's also not forget that it wasn't like he threw a pick six. There's no excuse for a staff having NU in a 13-7 game late with Illinois and then not being able to put together a defensive stand to close things out.

It's freaking Illinois.

But people want to focus on one play and one player's preceived fault rather than the systemic issues that put that game in doubt in the first place.

A bad play call, formation not set, those things don't cause Tommy to throw behind his receiver. Tommy had plenty of time and his receiver was wide open. All he had to do was deliver the ball in front of his receiver and he couldn't do it. Stop blaming everyone except the one man who could have executed but didn't. And maybe you should stop making excuses for our quarterback, the man makes mistakes far to often.

Plenty of irony packed into that little sentence.

Please quote me where I've made excuses for anyone on the team, players or coaches. I'll wait patiently.

No. The irony is you calling out our QB for "to" many mistakes.