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FrantzHardySwag said:
I get the comparison, but since 2017 all three of these programs have fired coaches that won 25+ games over a 3 year span. Frost would be more than safe if he had the resume of Herman, Helton or Jones. We aren't looking to fire a coach that has proven he can win 8+ games at this level - we're looking at firing a coach that is staring down the barrel of his 4th straight losing season. While the argument could be made those schools made a mistake by firing guys that are winning 7-9 games, that doesn't necessarily mean we would be making a mistake firing a guy who is winning 4-5 games. 
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And, yet, those programs aren't any closer to winning a championship than when they fired those coaches.

 
BigRedBuster said:
And, yet, those programs aren't any closer to winning a championship than when they fired those coaches.
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I'm not disagreeing. Like I said, if Frost had proven he could win 8+ games at Nebraska, like the coaches fired at Texas, Tennessee, USC - we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Frost wouldn't be on the hot seat with a resume like Jones, Herman, Helton. 

 
FrantzHardySwag said:
They exist. Guys at P5 schools who didn't get over .500 their first 4 years, and were kept 6+ years. 

Dan McCarney

Bobby Johnson

Greg Schiano

Bill Curry

Derek Mason

Mike Stoops

People can feel free to add to this list. 
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 I do appreciate this list because I honestly couldnt find anyone of merit that ever stuck around for that many years of being bad. I am not sure I would want anything to do with any of these coaches. Schiano is obviously the best for the eventual turnaround to make Rutgers respectable and even led them to an 11 win season in year 6.  PS Mike Stoops won 6 year 3 ;-) 

 
FrantzHardySwag said:
They exist. Guys at P5 schools who didn't get over .500 their first 4 years, and were kept 6+ years. 

Dan McCarney- Iowa state

Bobby Johnson- vanderbilt

Greg Schiano- Rutgers

Bill Curry- Georgia tech

Derek Mason- Vanderbilt

Mike Stoops- Arizona

People can feel free to add to this list. 
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I'm not that well versed on all coaches, so here's where they coached at.

Not a great lousy of schools to be compared to. Mike Stoops got 8 years to figure it out and had two 8 soon seasons. Derek Mason got 7. Curry got 7 with a single 9 win season. Johnson had 8 seasons to try. Nobody turned it around, obviously.

This list might make me feel worse...

 
FrantzHardySwag said:
I'm not disagreeing. Like I said, if Frost had proven he could win 8+ games at Nebraska, like the coaches fired at Texas, Tennessee, USC - we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Frost wouldn't be on the hot seat with a resume like Jones, Herman, Helton. 
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Completely agree Hardy.  While there is always criticism that comes with a Power 5 job, I have no doubt this coaching staff would be secure had they simply gotten us to consecutive bowls the last 2 years (with a Year 1 transition).  Whether we want to admit it or not, this is not a profession that rewards folks for coming close to wins, but only for actual wins.  

At 3-5, we are not close...

 
Hedley Lamarr said:
Hugh Freeze won 8 games his 1st year at Liberty and 7 his first year at Ole Miss, Mark Stoops won 7 his 4th year at Kentucky.
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Frost could still win 7.....

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