ZRod
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If you would like to discuss typical radical right-wingers please start a separate thread. This is about the angry violent right.
The Angry Violent Right
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Before I can be labeled for hypocrisy let me make the following disclaimers:
• I think it's wrong to punch Nazis
• I think ANTIFA is bad and misguided
• I think anyone being destructive or causing harm or being violent during protest is misguided and counterproductive
• I think hating cops is immature and misguided and makes things worse
• I actually subscribe to an entirely non-violent worldview, and think anyone liberal or conservative who must or wants to resort to violence is off base and should be admonished and encouraged to find a better solution
What should be UN)necessary disclaimers out of the way,
We have our Republican, "so called" conservative President, who has
• claimed to have punched and gave his teacher a black eye in the 2nd grade as an aggressive kid
• told people at his rallies he would pay for their legal fees if they engaged in violence against protestors
• explicitly suggested to the same people at his rallies to "knock the crap out of" anyone they saw with a tomato?
• said he'd like to punch a protestor in the face
• had a federal judge reject his dismissal of a suit against him claiming that protestors injuries were a "direct and proximate result" of Trump's comments
• encouraged police officers to be more rough with suspects saying, "When you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just seen them thrown in, rough. I said, 'Please don’t be too nice", and, "When you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head you know, the way you put their hand over [their head]," Trump continued, mimicking the motion. "Like, 'Don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody, don’t hit their head.' I said, 'You can take the hand away, OK?'"
• said, "maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing"
• said, "in the good old days this doesn't happen because they used to treat them very, very rough"
• said, "i love the old days, you know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? they'd be carried out in a stretcher folks"
• said, "You know, part of the problem, and part of the reason it takes so long, is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore, right?"
and then we have ardent supporters of him, choosing to
A) Not really address any of these in specificity as individual incidents
B) Not really address the obvious common TREND behind all of these moments and quotes
C) Spend plenty of energy and particular focus criticizing individual incidents and the 'trend' of anger and/or violence on the left side of the political spectrum
D) Expect to be taken seriously or perceived as having a rational, consistent perspective by others on the board
So I guess that's where we're at. Which is so weird and goofy, because the right clearly moreso than the left (although it is certainly existent to some degree across the political spectrum) has been taken captive by this relative truth, postmodern worldview that isn't actually based on evidence, fact, data, or rational thought. But I thought postmodernism and relativism were supposed to be an anti-christian, anti-American, far left ideology that the liberals and academia were using to hijack people's minds. So either the liberals were incredibly successful with their grand strategy that they convinced the whole country there is no such thing as truth anymore, or the conservatives are just unaware how they've been manipulated into their own kind of non-truth.
• I think it's wrong to punch Nazis
• I think ANTIFA is bad and misguided
• I think anyone being destructive or causing harm or being violent during protest is misguided and counterproductive
• I think hating cops is immature and misguided and makes things worse
• I actually subscribe to an entirely non-violent worldview, and think anyone liberal or conservative who must or wants to resort to violence is off base and should be admonished and encouraged to find a better solution
What should be UN)necessary disclaimers out of the way,
We have our Republican, "so called" conservative President, who has
• claimed to have punched and gave his teacher a black eye in the 2nd grade as an aggressive kid
• told people at his rallies he would pay for their legal fees if they engaged in violence against protestors
• explicitly suggested to the same people at his rallies to "knock the crap out of" anyone they saw with a tomato?
• said he'd like to punch a protestor in the face
• had a federal judge reject his dismissal of a suit against him claiming that protestors injuries were a "direct and proximate result" of Trump's comments
• encouraged police officers to be more rough with suspects saying, "When you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just seen them thrown in, rough. I said, 'Please don’t be too nice", and, "When you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head you know, the way you put their hand over [their head]," Trump continued, mimicking the motion. "Like, 'Don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody, don’t hit their head.' I said, 'You can take the hand away, OK?'"
• said, "maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing"
• said, "in the good old days this doesn't happen because they used to treat them very, very rough"
• said, "i love the old days, you know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? they'd be carried out in a stretcher folks"
• said, "You know, part of the problem, and part of the reason it takes so long, is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore, right?"
and then we have ardent supporters of him, choosing to
A) Not really address any of these in specificity as individual incidents
B) Not really address the obvious common TREND behind all of these moments and quotes
C) Spend plenty of energy and particular focus criticizing individual incidents and the 'trend' of anger and/or violence on the left side of the political spectrum
D) Expect to be taken seriously or perceived as having a rational, consistent perspective by others on the board
So I guess that's where we're at. Which is so weird and goofy, because the right clearly moreso than the left (although it is certainly existent to some degree across the political spectrum) has been taken captive by this relative truth, postmodern worldview that isn't actually based on evidence, fact, data, or rational thought. But I thought postmodernism and relativism were supposed to be an anti-christian, anti-American, far left ideology that the liberals and academia were using to hijack people's minds. So either the liberals were incredibly successful with their grand strategy that they convinced the whole country there is no such thing as truth anymore, or the conservatives are just unaware how they've been manipulated into their own kind of non-truth.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-rosenfeld-new-york-man-arrested-by-fbi-in-alleged-plot-to-detonate-massive-bomb-in-d-c-on-election-day/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0h&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5bc28c2904d3017d2256d941&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook
"At a Senate hearing Wednesday morning, FBI Director Christopher Wray said his agents are investigating about 1,000 homegrown terror threats in all 50 states.
"Those cover the waterfront of the full range of extremist ideologies from right to left and everything in between," Wray said."
If you feel confident "your side" isn't guilty, you're probably guilty...
"At a Senate hearing Wednesday morning, FBI Director Christopher Wray said his agents are investigating about 1,000 homegrown terror threats in all 50 states.
"Those cover the waterfront of the full range of extremist ideologies from right to left and everything in between," Wray said."
If you feel confident "your side" isn't guilty, you're probably guilty...
knapplc
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commando
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hmmmm.....far right extremist in welfare lines. maybe ric could explain how he shouldn't have to support those idiots?
TGHusker
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I'm trying to remember the nut job in the forests of the NW who ended up in the shoot out wt FBI during the Clinton years. I think he was reacting to the Waco clash. Oh well so much for brain fog.
What is sad to me - is that all of these people and incidents named above end up staining and altering the more moderate philosophy they get tied to. So we have someone like Trump and what has become the new republican party of malcontents, misfits, and masqueraders stating they represent conservatism when in fact they represent a radical nationalism.
Trump is the ruin of the Republican party and it is time to allow it to die - let all of these radical nationalists have it or find strong leadership (doubtful) that can remove the stain of what Trump has brought to the party. However, the party has seceded all of its rights and identity to the camel who got its nose in the tent and eventually took over.
Time for the Libertarian Party to stop nominating loony tune guys and get some leaders who can challenge what will soon be a Democratic majority. The Dem party is leaning too far left (my opinion) and we see that the Repub party is going alt right. Trump may win in 2020 if Repubs hold Congress in 2018 & if the Dems nominate one of the dinosaurs that may run. Yes, Trump is also a dinosaur but the Dem dinosaurs don't represent change (clinton, Biden, Sauders, Warren) as much as a younger face would. If that is the case, I see it as both a final Hurrah and a final death nail in the Grand old Party - this nation can only take so much of Trump, the alt right and the political drama that is Trump.
I hope right of center and left of center republicans move to the Libertarian Party or start the process of rebuilding the party by allowing it to go into the wilderness and come out born again as the party of Lincoln and Reagan. As an independent voter, we need more choices.
What is sad to me - is that all of these people and incidents named above end up staining and altering the more moderate philosophy they get tied to. So we have someone like Trump and what has become the new republican party of malcontents, misfits, and masqueraders stating they represent conservatism when in fact they represent a radical nationalism.
Trump is the ruin of the Republican party and it is time to allow it to die - let all of these radical nationalists have it or find strong leadership (doubtful) that can remove the stain of what Trump has brought to the party. However, the party has seceded all of its rights and identity to the camel who got its nose in the tent and eventually took over.
Time for the Libertarian Party to stop nominating loony tune guys and get some leaders who can challenge what will soon be a Democratic majority. The Dem party is leaning too far left (my opinion) and we see that the Repub party is going alt right. Trump may win in 2020 if Repubs hold Congress in 2018 & if the Dems nominate one of the dinosaurs that may run. Yes, Trump is also a dinosaur but the Dem dinosaurs don't represent change (clinton, Biden, Sauders, Warren) as much as a younger face would. If that is the case, I see it as both a final Hurrah and a final death nail in the Grand old Party - this nation can only take so much of Trump, the alt right and the political drama that is Trump.
I hope right of center and left of center republicans move to the Libertarian Party or start the process of rebuilding the party by allowing it to go into the wilderness and come out born again as the party of Lincoln and Reagan. As an independent voter, we need more choices.
knapplc
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GOP Senator David Perdue Rips Phone Away When Student Confronts Him (VIDEO)
U.S. Senator David Perdue (R-GA) ripped a phone out of a constituent’s hand late Saturday morning as the constituent was recording their encounter.
The Republican senator was being asked a question about Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp‘s widely-reported attempts to purge the voter registrations of thousands of black voters in the Peach State. Kemp is currently running for governor against Democrat Stacey Abrams.
Perdue was on the Georgia Tech campus on Saturday to campaign for Kemp. A student and member of the Young Democratic Socialists of America (YDSA) began to ask a question about Kemp’s alleged disenfranchisement scheme.
In an interview with Law&Crime, the student asked not to be named out fear of retaliation and doxxing. The student clarified that he wasn’t particularly worried about retribution from Perdue’s official camp but expressed concern that Perdue’s fellow travelers would “sic the mobs” on him and go after his livelihood.
“Given what happened in New York City on Friday night, we’re seeing the development of fascism in America,” the student said, in reference to Pro-Trump gangs of “Proud Boys” beating people on the streets while the NYPD apparently did nothing. “The GOP knows they can’t win in debate or civil discourse so they’ll resort to violence and repression of dissidents.”
U.S. Senator David Perdue (R-GA) ripped a phone out of a constituent’s hand late Saturday morning as the constituent was recording their encounter.
The Republican senator was being asked a question about Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp‘s widely-reported attempts to purge the voter registrations of thousands of black voters in the Peach State. Kemp is currently running for governor against Democrat Stacey Abrams.
Perdue was on the Georgia Tech campus on Saturday to campaign for Kemp. A student and member of the Young Democratic Socialists of America (YDSA) began to ask a question about Kemp’s alleged disenfranchisement scheme.
In an interview with Law&Crime, the student asked not to be named out fear of retaliation and doxxing. The student clarified that he wasn’t particularly worried about retribution from Perdue’s official camp but expressed concern that Perdue’s fellow travelers would “sic the mobs” on him and go after his livelihood.
“Given what happened in New York City on Friday night, we’re seeing the development of fascism in America,” the student said, in reference to Pro-Trump gangs of “Proud Boys” beating people on the streets while the NYPD apparently did nothing. “The GOP knows they can’t win in debate or civil discourse so they’ll resort to violence and repression of dissidents.”
knapplc
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Minnesota GOP Senate Contender Compared Michelle Obama To A ‘Chimp’ On Facebook
Republican Karin Housley, a state senator running to represent Minnesota in the U.S. Senate, compared then-first lady Michelle Obama to a “chimp” in 2009.
In an April 2009 Facebook post, Housley criticized the first lady’s posture when she met Queen Elizabeth II.
“Michelle is soooo far from cool. Don’t we expect our First Ladies to at least stand up straight? (And my dear sister, know the proper etiquette and DO NOT TOUCH THE QUEEN!),” Housley wrote on her Facebook wall.
In the comment thread on her post, Housley said the chimpanzee in the 1951 film “Bedtime for Bonzo,” starring then-actor Ronald Reagan, likely had better posture than Mrs. Obama.
“I do miss Nancy Reagan. Ronald even more. Speaking of Bedtime for Bonzo, I think even that chimp stood up straighter than Michelle,” Housley wrote. “Uh-oh, someone is going to make a comment.”
Comparing African-Americans to apes, even obliquely, as Housley did, has been a longstanding feature of racist American innuendo.
Republican Karin Housley, a state senator running to represent Minnesota in the U.S. Senate, compared then-first lady Michelle Obama to a “chimp” in 2009.
In an April 2009 Facebook post, Housley criticized the first lady’s posture when she met Queen Elizabeth II.
“Michelle is soooo far from cool. Don’t we expect our First Ladies to at least stand up straight? (And my dear sister, know the proper etiquette and DO NOT TOUCH THE QUEEN!),” Housley wrote on her Facebook wall.
In the comment thread on her post, Housley said the chimpanzee in the 1951 film “Bedtime for Bonzo,” starring then-actor Ronald Reagan, likely had better posture than Mrs. Obama.
“I do miss Nancy Reagan. Ronald even more. Speaking of Bedtime for Bonzo, I think even that chimp stood up straighter than Michelle,” Housley wrote. “Uh-oh, someone is going to make a comment.”
Comparing African-Americans to apes, even obliquely, as Housley did, has been a longstanding feature of racist American innuendo.