The Democrat Utopia

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GBR0988

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Glad to have you join in the discussion!

Feel like I should clarify that since the election it seems the talking points are a bit more "one sided" as you say.  There are a bunch of folks with other views, but not many come to P&R as much right now.  

It's a great place to share ideas and opinions and I look forward to your additions.  

 
So GBR - is your point of this article to somehow tie the "socialistic" outcomes in Venezuela to the US in a "what if" scenario?

 
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NM11046 said:
Glad to have you join in the discussion!

Feel like I should clarify that since the election it seems the talking points are a bit more "one sided" as you say.  There are a bunch of folks with other views, but not many come to P&R as much right now.  

It's a great place to share ideas and opinions and I look forward to your additions.  
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Thanks! Yeah, politics seem more polorized than I can ever remember.

I think right-leaning people and conservatives feel like they can’t voice their opinions for fear of their character being called into question. You know, the whole sexist, racist, bigot, homophobe garbage they’re accused of.

I’m hoping my posts make them feel more comfortable to voice they’re opionions and open up the discussion. 

I hate all the character assassination in politics now. I believe both sides want essentially the same thing, they just believe in different ways of accomplishing their goals.

 
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NM11046 said:
So GBR - is your point of this article to somehow tie the "socialistic" outcomes in Venezuela to the US in a "what if" scenario?
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Honestly, it’s more just something I think a lot of the Bernie Bros should read up on. They always seem to point to the more free-market, but still high income-taxed, Scandinavian countries as to what they want. They don’t seem to take into consideration the lower corporate taxes and smaller/more homogeneous population of those countries. Also don’t take into account the low military budget of those countries thanks to the ol’ US of A.

 
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GBR0988 said:
I’m a long-time reader of the huskerboard forum, but never thought about signing up until I came across the ‘Politics and Religion’ section of the site. I find it both surprising and alarming at how seemingly one-sided the posts are, so I’ve decided to try and shake things up a bit....                  

The Democrat Utopia

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19694/5-ways-socialism-itself-turned-venezuela-trash-michael-qazvini
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I'd argue the issue with Venezuela isn't socialism (or capitalism) but authoritarianism - the same reason why the Soviets were awful. If you're going to criticize socialism as some sort of failed utopia, at least criticize democratic socialism, which is what most of Europe is.

Also, socialism doesn't have to be a state takeover of private enterprise, which is another problem with Venezuela.

 
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The Democrats are mostly irrelevant. They've stagnated and become an also-ran party.  Their ideas are old and their candidates are unappealing.  They continue to prop up uninspiring figures like Pelosi & Schumer.

Frankly, I can't stand either of the two political parties in America today.  But the Republicans are much better villains to talk about now.  As villains, the Democrats are pretty milquetoast.

 
RedDenver said:
I'd argue the issue with Venezuela isn't socialism (or capitalism) but authoritarianism - the same reason why the Soviets were awful. If you're going to criticize socialism as some sort of failed utopia, at least criticize democratic socialism, which is what most of Europe is.

Also, socialism doesn't have to be a state takeover of private enterprise, which is another problem with Venezuela.
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According to Webster:


Definition of [SIZE=1.047em]socialism[/SIZE]



1:any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 
2a :a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b :a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

 
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knapplc said:
The Democrats are mostly irrelevant. They've stagnated and become an also-ran party.  Their ideas are old and their candidates are unappealing.  They continue to prop up uninspiring figures like Pelosi & Schumer.

Frankly, I can't stand either of the two political parties in America today.  But the Republicans are much better villains to talk about now.  As villains, the Democrats are pretty milquetoast.
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I can agree with most of this. Both the parties seem to just want power. That’s why I look more at ideas. I believe in freedom and I believe that freedom breeds inequality. It’s sad, but true.

The Democratic Party is constantly talking about equality of outcome and that bigger government is how to achieve equality. That is one of the reasons I lean more towards conservatism.

 
knapplc said:
Those are Republican talking points used in describing the Democrat party.
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No, they’re true. Did you watch any of the debates this past election? The Democratic Party is all about higher taxes and redistributionism. That’s the foundation of everything Bernie Sanders believes.

 
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