The P&R Plague Thread (Covid-19)

BigRedBuster said:
I would call that simply having a clean environment.  I wouldn't call that climate change initiatives.
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Oh, so working for a clean/er environment isn’t good enough?  I guess the only answer is to spend $36  trillion dollars which will magically change the world’s climate.  👍

Got it.   I’m on board now and please issue those T bills so we can get f#&%ed even more than we are!   But hey, we will at least have 30 years of human life left (well until they tell us we need to spend $175 trillion next time so we can exist for a bit longer) instead of just 12 (which was like a 6-7 years ago 12).  Yeah us!!!  

 
Archy1221 said:
Oh, so working for a clean/er environment isn’t good enough?  I guess the only answer is to spend $36  trillion dollars which will magically change the world’s climate.  👍

Got it.   I’m on board now and please issue those T bills so we can get f#&%ed even more than we are!   But hey, we will at least have 30 years of human life left (well until they tell us we need to spend $175 trillion next time so we can exist for a bit longer) instead of just 12 (which was like a 6-7 years ago 12).  Yeah us!!!  
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Now pay attention, class.  This is a classic example of a logical fallacy called a 'red herring'. 

 
Archy1221 said:
Oh, so working for a clean/er environment isn’t good enough?  I guess the only answer is to spend $36  trillion dollars which will magically change the world’s climate.  👍

Got it.   I’m on board now and please issue those T bills so we can get f#&%ed even more than we are!   But hey, we will at least have 30 years of human life left (well until they tell us we need to spend $175 trillion next time so we can exist for a bit longer) instead of just 12 (which was like a 6-7 years ago 12).  Yeah us!!!  
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Thanks for proving my original comment was correct.

 
teachercd said:
It is not "the government" that has to do something.  

It is each person, but clearly that is not going to happen because 99% of us don't actually care.
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Except you and me don't contribute to climate change nearly as much as huge corporations that use massive amounts of energy and create massive amounts of waste. So actually you are completely wrong.

 
Nebfanatic said:
Except you and me don't contribute to climate change nearly as much as huge corporations that use massive amounts of energy and create massive amounts of waste. So actually you are completely wrong.
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Don't work for that company that contributes!

Don't start a company that contributes.  

Don't buy from a company that contributes.

But we don't actually WANT to do those things.  We just want to b!^@h about it every now and then.  

Just like with our health...but it is so easy to grab a Double Cheeseburger on the way home from work.  And promise to "hit the gym tomorrow". 

It all starts with a small step.  

Then again there is a really good chance that I am wrong.  

 
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teachercd said:
Don't work for that company that contributes!

Don't start a company that contributes.  

Don't buy from a company that contributes.

But we don't actually WANT to do those things.  We just want to b!^@h about it every now and then.  

Just like with our health...but it is so easy to grab a Double Cheeseburger on the way home from work.  And promise to "hit the gym tomorrow". 

It all starts with a small step.  
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And the government will still pay billions of dollars in contracts to companies that can and do ruin the environment. Also, now it's on the consumer to fix it not the person who is actually contributing to the issue? When businesses can lie and make people believe they are environmentally friendly when in fact they are not? Your premise is nonsensical. Yes, we can all contribute, but our contributions are a drop in the bucket. It's like sure, we could all band together to fight hunger around the world but even if you could find 1 million people to give 1,000 $ it wouldn't even be close to what the wealth of Warren Buffet could do. 

 
Nebfanatic said:
And the government will still pay billions of dollars in contracts to companies that can and do ruin the environment. Also, now it's on the consumer to fix it not the person who is actually contributing to the issue? When businesses can lie and make people believe they are environmentally friendly when in fact they are not? Your premise is nonsensical. Yes, we can all contribute, but our contributions are a drop in the bucket. It's like sure, we could all band together to fight hunger around the world but even if you could find 1 million people to give 1,000 $ it wouldn't even be close to what the wealth of Warren Buffet could do. 
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There is strength in numbers.  I get the idea of liking the government to "fix it" but it starts with the people.  

And, it is always on the consumer, we control it.  If we stop buying from certain places, those places go out of business.  

Blockbuster, Toys R us, Borders, Sears and so on.  The consumer is powerful.

The thing is, most of just don't REALLY care, we fake care and if it is an inconvenience for us, we tend to not do it or not do it that long.  

Again, I am not as smart as everyone here but my thinking is that people can make a difference if you have enough of them and if they are actually into it and not just fake into it, which is usually the case.

 
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Here is a list from AI



🏠 Everyday Household Items That Hurt the Climate


  1. Gas-powered stoves – Burn natural gas, which emits carbon dioxide and methane
  2. Single-use plastics – Like water bottles, plastic bags, and packaging—made from fossil fuels and not biodegradable
  3. Clothes dryers – Use a lot of energy, especially if powered by coal or natural gas
  4. Older refrigerators & air conditioners – Use chemicals (like HFCs) that are powerful greenhouse gases
  5. Excessive water heating – Hot showers and dishwashers use a lot of energy, especially if powered by fossil fuels
  6. Disposable cleaning wipes & paper towels – Take resources to make and create more landfill waste
  7. Fast fashion clothing – Cheap, trendy clothes that often get thrown away quickly; producing them uses tons of water, chemicals, and energy
  8. Electronics left plugged in – TVs, chargers, game consoles all draw "phantom power" when not in use
  9. Gas-powered lawn equipment – Like mowers and leaf blowers, which pollute more than some cars
  10. Meat-heavy diets – Especially beef and lamb, which produce a lot of methane and require more land and water



🌱 Want to Be More Eco-Friendly?


  • Switch to LED bulbs
  • Use reusable bags and bottles
  • Hang dry clothes when possible
  • Unplug electronics when not in use
  • Try eating more plant-based meals


 
teachercd said:
There is strength in numbers.  I get the idea of liking the government to "fix it" but it starts with the people.  

And, it is always on the consumer, we control it.  If we stop buying from certain places, those places go out of business.  

Blockbuster, Toys R us, Borders, Sears and so on.  The consumer is powerful.

The thing is, most of just don't REALLY care, we fake care and if it is an inconvenience for us, we tend to not do it or not do it that long.  

Again, I am not as smart as everyone here but my thinking is that people can make a difference if you have enough of them and if they are actually into it and not just fake into it, which is usually the case.
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A lot of people have to participate to create the same impact one company could make. That's the thing. Everyone in the country could pitch in and a couple of companies who stay in business with government contracts could completely negate the hard work of an entire population. So it kinda does take the government's help.

I will mention that this same logic can be applied to the world as a whole and it is pretty disheartening that we as a country could do everything right and a few countries that don't care can just ruin it for everyone. 

 
Nebfanatic said:
A lot of people have to participate to create the same impact one company could make. That's the thing. Everyone in the country could pitch in and a couple of companies who stay in business with government contracts could completely negate the hard work of an entire population. So it kinda does take the government's help.

I will mention that this same logic can be applied to the world as a whole and it is pretty disheartening that we as a country could do everything right and a few countries that don't care can just ruin it for everyone. 
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I get what you are saying and I don't disagree.  I am just saying that it starts with the people and those people have to actually be invested in it, not fake invested, like most of them are.  

 
teachercd said:
Here is a list from AI



🏠 Everyday Household Items That Hurt the Climate


  1. Gas-powered stoves – Burn natural gas, which emits carbon dioxide and methane
  2. Single-use plastics – Like water bottles, plastic bags, and packaging—made from fossil fuels and not biodegradable
  3. Clothes dryers – Use a lot of energy, especially if powered by coal or natural gas
  4. Older refrigerators & air conditioners – Use chemicals (like HFCs) that are powerful greenhouse gases
  5. Excessive water heating – Hot showers and dishwashers use a lot of energy, especially if powered by fossil fuels
  6. Disposable cleaning wipes & paper towels – Take resources to make and create more landfill waste
  7. Fast fashion clothing – Cheap, trendy clothes that often get thrown away quickly; producing them uses tons of water, chemicals, and energy
  8. Electronics left plugged in – TVs, chargers, game consoles all draw "phantom power" when not in use
  9. Gas-powered lawn equipment – Like mowers and leaf blowers, which pollute more than some cars
  10. Meat-heavy diets – Especially beef and lamb, which produce a lot of methane and require more land and water



🌱 Want to Be More Eco-Friendly?


  • Switch to LED bulbs
  • Use reusable bags and bottles
  • Hang dry clothes when possible
  • Unplug electronics when not in use
  • Try eating more plant-based meals
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Quoting myself here as a hardcore non climate-bro...out of those 10 things listed.  I pretty much do them all.  I am guessing everyone here, climate-bros included, do AT LEAST 7/10 of them.

 
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