The P&R Plague Thread (Covid-19)

ActualCornHusker said:
Well... I'm a little loaded on kratom right now, i already posted a couple examples of media distortion (inaccurate reporting on Fauci & CNN's hilarious satire-sounding headline criticizing Trump for being hopeful), and frankly I don't care enough to try to persuade a board of anti-Trumpers because it's likely a waste of time, so I might get to it at another time LOL. 
Click to expand...
What was inaccurate about Fauci and Trump in the Tweet you posted.

Trump said A (scientifically incorrect)

Fauci said B (emotionally hard to hear but scientifically correct)

Fauci describes why he says A and Trump says B.  Which according to Fauci is because he's a scientist and Trump's job is to try and make people feel good even though it isn't scientifically proven.

CNN: Fauci goes out of his own belief system to rationalize why the president says things that aren't scientifically true.

 
teachercd said:
Yeah, but when you are at a bar with your friends...don't you talk about things you all like and pretty much agree on.

I mean...we talked about sports, movies, girls...work...crap like that. 
Click to expand...
Those were the most Googled questions of all of them.  Who won the Super Bowl in '92?  What were the lyrics to  "California Love"?  

 
funhusker said:
Those were the most Googled questions of all of them.  Who won the Super Bowl in '92?  What were the lyrics to  "California Love"?  
Click to expand...
Oh my god, I forgot about looking up lyrics!  Yes!  We did that!  And, record sales...and how much certain movies grossed.

God...we were losers!

 
Yeah, I can confirm that "most" are taking it seriously in Nebraska, some people more than necessary. I thought Facebook was already a bit of a cesspool but humanity has proven me wrong. I saw someone go on a lengthy diatribe about how two people playing catch in their yard were violating quarantine and that the local news outlets should be hunting these people down.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Nebfanatic said:
Why? People making 25k and under need 1200 dollars just as much if not more than someone making 75k. 
Click to expand...
Sure they do...I think everyone should get the same amount.

But if the choices are get 1,200 or get nothing...I want 1,200...so I want it to pass.

If option B is everyone gets 1,200 (and it just takes an extra day or two) fantastic!  I am fine with that.  I just don't want to get zero.

 
Enhance said:
Yeah, I can confirm that "most" are taking it seriously in Nebraska, some people more than necessary. I thought Facebook was already a bit of a cesspool but humanity has proven me wrong. I saw someone go on a lengthy diatribe about how two people playing catch in their yard were violating quarantine and that the local news outlets should be hunting these people down.
Click to expand...
I have gotten into way too big of an exchange on Nextdoor (which is nearly as bad as Facebook) with a guy who is pissed off at people who have the nerve to drive short distances during this time, even if they practice proper social distancing at their destination.  He is convinced that every gas pump and key pad is full of COVID-19, and every person who gets gas is going to spread the virus. 

 
BigRedBuster said:
That's the only way you're going to get people to listen to this.  For some reason, getting people sick and killing them doesn't get through their thick skull.  But, missing football would.
Click to expand...
Yes I’m glad coach Cook is saying this although it’s unlikely at this point that the 2020 football season can be saved.
Just my opinion and I hate to be a Debby Downer, but unless something happens like the virus mutates into a less virulent form (possible)or we somehow discover an effective treatment that can be widely available in a short amount of time (unlikely) I just can’t imagine team sports until a vaccine is found to be safe, effective and produced in large enough quantities to, again be widely available.
 Which could mean that a year from now, we’re wondering if the 2021 FB season will happen.  Something that could also help the situation would be for “herd” immunity or “acquired” immunity from exposure to the virus ends up being long lasting.     I fear a vaccine could be at least a year or two away still.   Who knows though, with all hands on deck, maybe it’s possible to speed up these somewhat pessimistic timelines.  Widespread testing wouldn’t hurt either.   

 
funhusker said:
What was inaccurate about Fauci and Trump in the Tweet you posted.

Trump said A (scientifically incorrect)

Fauci said B (emotionally hard to hear but scientifically correct)

Fauci describes why he says A and Trump says B.  Which according to Fauci is because he's a scientist and Trump's job is to try and make people feel good even though it isn't scientifically proven.

CNN: Fauci goes out of his own belief system to rationalize why the president says things that aren't scientifically true.
Click to expand...


So that CNN headline is garbage....

What Trump is saying is... they're encouraged by some anecdotal results of using a malaria drug along with another iirc. And he's saying that if someone is in critical condition with coronavirus, if they choose to do so, they could & should be able to try it.

Fauci isn't saying he's wrong. He's just saying it's not clinically proven yet, and that's his job to not recommend it until it's proven through studies. 

There's nothing wrong with what Trump has said about hydroxychloroquine 

 
BigRedN said:
If you follow the original link ... it updates every day.  Their stats as of today, are 38,000.

Here is that link ... https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR1kxq4QkJ_QxiV9GXv3XvbT0nQQYwnSVkZ-NdHMGzAoIcn3-EC678-Gevw

There is also this link on the CDC .. .and these numbers are different ... around 65,000.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html?fbclid=IwAR2hC40yxt03rvRR2J1s1V9C8CC-BAdCdEbAxAEmtx69CzuNW8zTILyO97M

I'll keep following this page and hope to understand more.  No need to respond to me ... just posting these two links that seem to contradict each other.  
Click to expand...






The information is from 2 different sources. The one with the state map is what is reported by each jurisdiction. The other is based on death certificates. There have been lots of stories about how accurate death certificates are. It's likely some states have better ways of tracking cause of death than what is on the death certificate.

 
teachercd said:
Sure they do...I think everyone should get the same amount.

But if the choices are get 1,200 or get nothing...I want 1,200...so I want it to pass.

If option B is everyone gets 1,200 (and it just takes an extra day or two) fantastic!  I am fine with that.  I just don't want to get zero.
Click to expand...
What if you'd get nothing in this bill? Then what would you think?

The point of voting against the bill is to stop the Repubs from doing stupid stuff like not giving money to the poor or lower middle class or giving bailouts to corporations with no strings attached.

 
A little bit of local news on the matter. Pretty crazy. This guy used to be a meteorologist for KPTM and KETV before going to work for Jim Suttle's mayoral campaign in 2009. 

Sounds like the guy was not exactly stable mentally.


 
RedDenver said:
What if you'd get nothing in this bill? Then what would you think?

The point of voting against the bill is to stop the Repubs from doing stupid stuff like not giving money to the poor or lower middle class or giving bailouts to corporations with no strings attached.
Click to expand...
I would think it sucks.

I am one of those weirdos that is happy when I get free money.  

I am like Dire Straits...I like my money for nothing

 
Last edited by a moderator:
ActualCornHusker said:
So that CNN headline is garbage....

What Trump is saying is... they're encouraged by some anecdotal results of using a malaria drug along with another iirc. And he's saying that if someone is in critical condition with coronavirus, if they choose to do so, they could & should be able to try it.

Fauci isn't saying he's wrong. He's just saying it's not clinically proven yet, and that's his job to not recommend it until it's proven through studies. 

There's nothing wrong with what Trump has said about hydroxychloroquine 
Click to expand...
I didn't see a headline...

From the Tweet: "The president was trying to bring hope to the people" -- here's Dr. Fauci on CBS going to painstaking lengths to avoid rebuking President Trump for touting unproven and dangerous drugs that he thinks could work as coronavirus treatments"

What about this is untrue?  The President from a position of giving out trustworthy medical info gave one version, his Dr. in charge gave another.  The Dr. tried to explain, outside of his belief system, why.  

How does this make our current situation worse?  Will more get infected?  Will the stock markets plummet more?  Will it rain tomorrow?  How does this Tweet make things worse.  Does it make it better?: might be a stretch.  But it in no way makes our current situation worse.  The point of this whole discussion.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
funhusker said:
I didn't see a headline...

From the Tweet: "The president was trying to bring hope to the people" -- here's Dr. Fauci on CBS going to painstaking lengths to avoid rebuking President Trump for touting unproven and dangerous drugs that he thinks could work as coronavirus treatments"

What about this is untrue?  The President from a position of giving out trustworthy medical info gave one version, his Dr. in charge gave another.  The Dr. tried to explain, outside of his belief system, why.  

How does this make our current situation worse?  Will more get infected?  Will the stock markets plummet more?  Will it rain tomorrow?  How does this Tweet make things worse.  Does it make it better?: might be a stretch.  But it in no way makes our current situation worse.  The point of this whole discussion.
Click to expand...


I think we're off the rails of the original discussion, but i adamantly disagree with you and CNN on this assessment of the Trump-Fauci dynamic. 

Also: unproven and dangerous drugs  :facepalm:

It would be people literally in critical condition on their death bed from the virus who would potentially try it. 

Again, there are plenty of things to criticize Trump for. This is not one

 
Decoy73 said:
Yes I’m glad coach Cook is saying this although it’s unlikely at this point that the 2020 football season can be saved.
Just my opinion and I hate to be a Debby Downer, but unless something happens like the virus mutates into a less virulent form (possible)or we somehow discover an effective treatment that can be widely available in a short amount of time (unlikely) I just can’t imagine team sports until a vaccine is found to be safe, effective and produced in large enough quantities to, again be widely available.
 Which could mean that a year from now, we’re wondering if the 2021 FB season will happen.  Something that could also help the situation would be for “herd” immunity or “acquired” immunity from exposure to the virus ends up being long lasting.     I fear a vaccine could be at least a year or two away still.   Who knows though, with all hands on deck, maybe it’s possible to speed up these somewhat pessimistic timelines.  Widespread testing wouldn’t hurt either.   
Click to expand...




I work at a university, we were told about 2 weeks ago to start planning on having no fall sports.   That said, the reports coming from Uni. of Pittsburgh are promising.   The one thing I take hope in, right now every research scientist around the world has dropped what they were doing and are focusing on COVID.  I suspect before summer, with information sharing, we will have a cure/vaccine before fall school starts.   Not sure it'll be in time to save fall sports, but winter sports for sure.

 
Back
Top