The P&R Plague Thread (Covid-19)

And on a less light note, the investigations into who's profiting off of this disaster are going to be VERY revealing.  Someone or several someones are making BANK off of forcing states to bid against each other.  And the funny thing is, Trump could easily fix this by nationalizing some of these supply chains.  It's a mystery why he isn't doing that. Isn't it?





Reporting tonight it’s clear that there are huge, huge fortunes being made now on the COVID Crisis. We keep hearing that states and cities are having to bid against each other to purchase lifesaving goods. But who are the counter parties? Those folks have a product ...





2/ in short supply and customers who are willing to pay anything because they need it to prevent residents of their states from dying. The US doing airlifts to bring supplies from abroad for private contractors is part of this. But only one part.





3/ It’s pretty clear the states know what is happening. But they can’t investigate or attack the people who have the product they need. So it’s implicit if you read between the lines but it’s not explicit. If you’ve got the right connections and access to trade networks and ...





4/ political power there are fortunes to be made starting bidding wars for products people are literally dying for. This is much uglier than I think most people imagine. And it’s being made possible by no clear federal response or a federal response which wants to ...





5/ leave disaster response to private sector markets.



 
Nebfanatic said:
I get that part but I really don't think that means they should give up on even trying. Again, maybe I'm way off base but it seems to me if you are in a tough position with social distancing in the first place you should be taking every precaution possible since its more likely a good percentage of people are infected 
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by this point, I am sure that there has been herd inoculation/immunity from exposure...in such tight quarters that might even be the better option than offloading these folks to possibly infect others...?

 
DevoHusker said:
by this point, I am sure that there has been herd inoculation/immunity from exposure...in such tight quarters that might even be the better option than offloading these folks to possibly infect others...?
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Herd immunity isnt a thing in such a small group. I would imagine 90% infection would be possible if nothing was done and that is an outcome that must be avoided if possible.

 
Maybe someone else posted this so forgive me if this is a duplicate.    Trump needs to be impeached for his sorry lack of leadership.  We all knew he wasn't worthy of the office and could not live up to its high moral demands.  He is proving it everyday that he has not the character to mitigate this crisis nor the depth of personality to properly work with individuals who he should be working with.   This statement that the 'federal govt is merely a backup to state govt' is far worse than Obama's statement about leading from behind.  I understand what Obama was trying to say - I think he could have stated it better as it gave shadows of weakness. However,  Trump is misrepresenting the constitution and is derelict in his duties as president.  It is his job and his RESPONSIBILITY to lead and not to point fingers. But because he has such a pea size personality with a basketball size insecurity/ narcissistic personality disorder, there is no way he can lead.   Someone(s) should have enacted Amend 25,# 4 a long time ago as it should have been apparent to those up close to him that trump's personality issues were/are a security threat to our nation and it is playing out right now before our very eyes.  But the GOP party has been enablers and complicit in this and as a party are equally guilty of neglecting their duties on behalf of the  people - as clearly seen in the impeachment and by not enacting A25.4 a long time ago. What is clearly seen by most is not seen by cult followers or by others who are blinded by their greed and hunger for power.  :boxosoap


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Nebfanatic said:
Herd immunity isnt a thing in such a small group. I would imagine 90% infection would be possible if nothing was done and that is an outcome that must be avoided if possible.
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Not trying to be difficult, but why? 85% of the overall population that gets it either doesn't know, or has mild symptoms. It is not a death sentence. My point remains...why not just let it infect 100% of the crew, take the worst affected off ship, and have everyone else get on with their duties...rather than offload everyone and risk spreading it to the hospitals/facilities they go to

 
DevoHusker said:
Not trying to be difficult, but why? 85% of the overall population that gets it either doesn't know, or has mild symptoms. It is not a death sentence. My point remains...why not just let it infect 100% of the crew, take the worst affected off ship, and have everyone else get on with their duties...rather than offload everyone and risk spreading it to the hospitals/facilities they go to
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Because there would be a certain percentage that would become critically ill and possibly die?

 
knapplc said:
He did not exercise poor judgment. He's a career officer, and he knew very well what that letter would do.

He understood the risk to his crew was greater than the risk to his career, and he chose to save his crew.

He's a hero.
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Correct on all points. Unfortunately not enough officers who put their soldiers and sailors ahead of their own careers.

Nebfanatic said:
I get that part but I really don't think that means they should give up on even trying. Again, maybe I'm way off base but it seems to me if you are in a tough position with social distancing in the first place you should be taking every precaution possible since its more likely a good percentage of people are infected 
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The top deck is probably the best they can do to "social distance". It's not like they have private rooms, they're sleeping in bunks in a large room.

 
DevoHusker said:
Not trying to be difficult, but why? 85% of the overall population that gets it either doesn't know, or has mild symptoms. It is not a death sentence. My point remains...why not just let it infect 100% of the crew, take the worst affected off ship, and have everyone else get on with their duties...rather than offload everyone and risk spreading it to the hospitals/facilities they go to
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If you're ok with 20 sailors dying and potentially enough ill that the ship is inoperable sure

 
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