The P&R Plague Thread (Covid-19)

[Mierin]

For sure.  If a bar/restaurant can add in delivery or a drive through or pick up window...they will do it.

We’ll also see more restaurants popping up like those mini pizza huts that don’t have seating. And I wonder if alcohol delivery might be permanent. Although the places I like to order from don’t deliver it yet. I’ve ordered from Tap House a couple times and they don’t deliver it yet which is funny given the name. 

 

[commando]

does anyone remember car hops?  i wonder if they would fill a market now?   

 

[teachercd]

We’ll also see more restaurants popping up like those mini pizza huts that don’t have seating. And I wonder if alcohol delivery might be permanent. Although the places I like to order from don’t deliver it yet. I’ve ordered from Tap House a couple times and they don’t deliver it yet which is funny given the name. 

Tap House is great...The brown sugar bacon burger is amazing.  I would risk Covid for it!!

 

[RedDenver]

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[commando]

but...he would get a mean tweet from trump if he made people wear masks.  he can suggest we wear masks....but no way in hell can he order us to without getting blitzed by the trumpers.

 

[RedDenver]

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[BigRedBuster]

This is so true.

 

[knapplc]

Now they're using Ben Shapiro's propaganda mill as a news source in the Football forum. Heaven help us.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/amid-percentage-of-deaths-having-declined-cdc-admits-coronavirus-on-verge-of-non-epidemic-status

Per this article the CDC has stated that we are on the verge of removing epidemic status for COVID-19 due to a steadily declining death rate.

 

[Mierin]

The article I posted doesn't make the claim this was made in a lab. The theory is the coronavirus is a natural bat virus being studied in the lab that perhaps esaped. The scientists can culture natural coronavirus cells into other cells causing them to mutate into something that could infect humans since most coronaviruses cannot go directly from bat to human. This would technically be a natural process or simulates a natural process of zoonotic transmission. There would be no evidence this was engineered because in this theory it still wasn't but rather manipulated in a very similar way to what would happen in nature. These tests called gain of function tests were (and i assume still are) being performed in Wuhan at labs that study bat coronaviruses. All of the evidence is circumstantial at best but its an interesting theory for 1 reason imo and that is Wuhan is a very unlikely place for a coronavirus outbreak given how far away it is from where these coronavirus carrying bats live. That in no way means it couldn't have happened completely naturally, that should still be the working theory. That said though, the origins remain unknown and I think the lab escape theory is worth exploring. 

However it's far more likely, imo, that someone from a rural area near Wuhan contracted it and there wasn't a huge outbreak because of the low population density, and then at some point traveled to the city where there was then an outbreak. And I think hypothetical articles like this only inflame the racist Trump supporters.

 

[Nebfanatic]

However it's far more likely, imo, that someone from a rural area near Wuhan contracted it and there wasn't a huge outbreak because of the low population density, and then at some point traveled to the city where there was then an outbreak. And I think hypothetical articles like this only inflame the racist Trump supporters.

I'm not sure how that is more likely when the area where the bats live is nearly 1000 miles away. Also the article addresses that idea and dispenses of it. This is not an indictment on the Chinese. The same thing could happen here just as easily. Its important we track down the origins of this outbreak and this is a possibility. I think it needs to be explored if anything to rule it out. If this was the result of an accidental escape involving a lab though(something that has happened before) that would be a good thing to know for evaluation on pandemic preparation into the future. The same could be said about finding the natural origins. 

Edit: the use of many times in my original post is not accurate

 

[jaws]

I wish CNN could be a little more consistent in their reporting. As I said earlier in this thread, it isn't just about antibodies. 

 

[Jason Sitoke]

The funny thing about Eastern Europe is even when we went to a different kind of restaurant (e.g. Spanish) the liver still followed us there.

Liver is a fickle beast. He usually follows. Sometimes he puts his trust in me, and I lead us astray. 

 

[knapplc]

I wish CNN could be a little more consistent in their reporting. As I said earlier in this thread, it isn't just about antibodies. 

It was the Lancet, quoting the Spanish medical experts, who used the term "unachievable" and not CNN's idea.

 

[suh_fan93]

Narcissists and Psychopaths Are More Likely to Refuse to Wear Masks, Says New Research

 

[BigRedBuster]

I wish CNN could be a little more consistent in their reporting. As I said earlier in this thread, it isn't just about antibodies. 

Not sure how CNN is being inconsistent.  They are reporting the information they are given.

 

[Mierin]

I'm not sure how that is more likely when the area where the bats live is nearly 1000 miles away. Also the article addresses that idea and dispenses of it. This is not an indictment on the Chinese. The same thing could happen here just as easily. Its important we track down the origins of this outbreak and this is a possibility. I think it needs to be explored if anything to rule it out. If this was the result of an accidental escape involving a lab though(something that has happened before) that would be a good thing to know for evaluation on pandemic preparation into the future. The same could be said about finding the natural origins. 

Edit: the use of many times in my original post is not accurate

Another good article:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/

Shi instructed her group to repeat the tests and, at the same time, sent the samples to another facility to sequence the full viral genomes. Meanwhile she frantically went through her own lab’s records from the past few years to check for any mishandling of experimental materials, especially during disposal. Shi breathed a sigh of relief when the results came back: none of the sequences matched those of the viruses her team had sampled from bat caves. “That really took a load off my mind,” she says. “I had not slept a wink for days.”
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Back in Wuhan, where the lockdown was finally lifted on April 8, China’s bat woman is not in a celebratory mood. She is distressed because stories from the Internet and major media have repeated a tenuous suggestion that SARS-CoV-2 accidentally leaked from her lab—despite the fact that its genetic sequence does not match any her lab had previously studied. Other scientists are quick to dismiss the allegation. “Shi leads a world-class lab of the highest standards,” Daszak says.

 

[Nebfanatic]

Another good article:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/

Look I'm not going to keep berating the point because its not worth it, but this is not information China, or most other governments for that matter, would likely share if they found it. Like I said in all my posts, we should still operate under the assumption this happened completely naturally. 

 

[RedDenver]

I'm not sure how that is more likely when the area where the bats live is nearly 1000 miles away.

People can easily travel more than 1000 miles in a day. Covid has an incubation period of several days to a couple weeks. Someone getting exposed and then traveling to Wuhan seems much more likely than that the virus escaped from a lab.