The P&R Plague Thread (Covid-19)

DevoHusker said:
Okay. I just remember the back and forth. 
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Yeah, but that's the problem. The "back and forth" wasn't two reasonable sides of the argument, and people still remember it wrong. 

Medical science was keenly aware that hydroxychloroquine had proven successful in immune-adjacent cases involving malaria and lupus, and encouraged ongoing study.  No one ever called it worthless and stupid. The medical profession and The Left as you put it just said "whoa!" when the President of the United States began openly promoting it as a COVID cure -- a stupid, dangerous, and entirely political thing to do in the middle of a pandemic. It wasn't a fix then, and it isn't now. But at the time hydroxy was a life-saver for people with Lupus, and a run on the drug for misguided political purposes would have put them at risk. 

Again, when people try to promote Hydroxy or Ivermectin, it really, really feels like an attempt to find an alternative — any alternative — to what the elites (experts) are recommending, and a willingness to accept the smallest shred of evidence and ignore the rest.  You'd almost think we didn't find vaccines with 90+% efficacy that are saving the lives of the people willing to take them. Maybe it's more empowering to believe yourself a maverick. 

I don't listen to Joe Rogan. Maybe someone who does can explain his rationale for accepting Ivermectin over the alternatives. 

 
Archy1221 said:
It has been proven to be more than just that.  It’s disingenuous to say otherwise.  
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Another lib owned!  

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Archy1221 said:
It has been proven to be more than just that.  It’s disingenuous to say otherwise.  
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Agreed.  It works as a prevention and treatment of malaria.

Covid?  Not so much.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.27259

Evidence from RCTs suggests that AZ with or without HCQ was not associated with a significant effect on the mortality or mechanical ventilation rates in hospitalized patients with COVID-19. More research is needed to explore therapeutics agents that can effectively reduce the mortality or severity of COVID-19.

Current evidence does not support using either of these agents alone or in combination in the management of hospitalized patients with COVID-19 infection. 
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knapplc said:
Another lib owned!  

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I don’t think Guy would consider himself Liberal based on what he stated in his past  :dunno

Scarlet said:
Agreed.  It works as a prevention and treatment of malaria.

Covid?  Not so much.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.27259
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Mayo disagrees with your clinical assessment. 

Archy1221 said:
I don’t think Guy would consider himself Liberal based on what he stated in his past  :dunno

Mayo disagrees with your clinical assessment. 
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So does Henry Ford and others 

 
Archy1221 said:
I don’t think Guy would consider himself Liberal based on what he stated in his past  :dunno
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Well you're half right. I actually veer a tad to the left of the average liberal and still consider myself a pragmatist who struggles with the Democratic Party and misguided political correctness. But I am just liberal enough to disagree with you on almost everything. 

Do you even read my posts? 

 
Archy1221 said:
So does Henry Ford and others 
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Oh they do?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/henry-ford-study-hydroxychloroquine-covid-quietly-shut-down%3famp

Henry Ford Health System officials told Bridge Michigan they could not find enough participants to continue studying whether the drug could help beat back the deadly pandemic. 

Hydroxychloroquine — an antimalarial drug that has also proven useful in treating rheumatoid arthritis, lupus and other inflammatory diseases — briefly produced some excitement last spring when it was promoted as a potential game-changer by President Trump. But early optimism gave way to broader medical studies, with the nation’s top health agencies eventually determining it was not effective in treating or preventing the spread of the novel coronavirus.     

The Henry Ford study (WHIP COVID-19 clinical trial), was to involve 3,000 health care workers, first responders, public transit drivers, or family members of health workers to determine whether hydroxychloroquine would prevent COVID-19 on the frontlines.

“We know that it’s going to be very popular, and we will try to enroll as many people as we can,” Henry Ford cardiologist William W. O’Neill said at the time of the study’s announcement, held with Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan.

But that optimism proved misplaced, with just 624 people signing up. Henry Ford quietly ended the study just before Christmas.
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https://scitechdaily.com/researchers-tell-doctors-stop-prescribing-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19/amp/

Researchers tell doctors to stop prescribing hydroxychloroquine

“The updated randomized evidence provides even stronger support for the halt on prescribing hydroxychloroquine in the prevention or treatment of COVID-19,” said Charles H. Hennekens, M.D., Dr.PH, senior author, the first Sir Richard Doll professor and senior academic advisor in FAU’s Schmidt College of Medicine.

The authors say that in addition to a lack of significant benefit, the new randomized evidence shows some suggestion of harm. They explain that the prior reassuring safety profile of hydroxychloroquine is applicable to patients with lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, both of which are of greater prevalence in younger and middle-age women, whose risks of fatal heart outcomes due to hydroxychloroquine are reassuringly very low.

In contrast, the risks of hydroxychloroquine for patients with COVID-19 are significantly higher because fatal cardiovascular complications due to these drugs are so much higher in older patients and those with existing heart disease or its risk factors, both of whom are more predominant in men
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Archy1221 said:
Would you like to dispute the data like an adult or just whine about where it came from like a child? 
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Looks like when you complete the data set, some Red states float to the top. Excess deaths instead, but better than the piecemeal state counts.

Age adjust deaths don't look too great for the south and NY/NJ.

 
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