The P&R Plague Thread (Covid-19)

nic said:
Did Twitter flag the the FBI and Department of energy reports as fake news?... I didn't heard about  that, yet... dang it.
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I'm sorry I just find it difficult to keep up with your latest airing of grievances. maybe a second Festives is in order?

Are you mad because you think the virus came from a lab? The DOE issued this latest release with a low confidence level, and there is still no consensus among US government agencies on the origin of the virus (and there won't be until China allows an independent investigation).

Are you mad that Twitter (who is a company and not a government agency), took steps to combat conspiracy theories and racism, even though there methods weren't perfect? I assume you are even more outraged at Desantis's Disney tactics if this is the case. Although Twitter is vastly different given that there was little to no information on the virus and it's origins when the implemented their misinformation policies.

Either way, I'm glad you've found more fodder for the outrage machine.

 
knapplc said:
This is it exactly. Orange Man Bad was stoking xenophobia amongst his supporters to distract from his wholly inadequate response to the pandemic (it'll be gone by April, etc). 

Of course that's all part of the ongoing culture war from the right. Politicize everything - EVERYTHING! Including masks! - to keep the base frothy and mad at the bad guys. 
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Couldn’t agree more Nate.   Happened here too!!


 
Worth a few minutes to hear what the scientific community understands to be the origin of Covid-19 at this time and why.  Of course science is based on evidence and until more evidence is presented, doing the weird gotcha dance the right-wingers are doing now is simply more rage farming.  It certainly isn't science.  And it certainly isn't going to help prevent the next coronavirus outbreak if the origins are natural. 

If it eventually is proven to be a lab leak then actual scientists will acknowledge that as it's more information in the battle against coronaviruses.  That's what legit scientists do.  But the DOE stating they have a low confidence level that this was a lab leak isn't the bombshell being portrayed by the MTGs, the Gym Jordans, and Boeberts of the world.  

 
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It’s amazing how much rage farming there has been on the left about the DOE report.  It’s almost as if they are afraid it’s a genuine possibility that they just don’t want to be true.   (keeping scientific funding flowing is more important than good scientific work sometimes for the rage farmers  :thumbs )

 
Because "good scientific work" means jumping to a conclusion when no conclusion is yet conclusive all for "gotcha, prosecute Fauci" rage farming and while at it equate scientists with "the left" who aren't really dedicated to their field but are all part of a huge conspiracy grift because of course that's easier to pull off than being an insurance agent.  Then throw in a strawman about scientists not really wanting to know the source of the pandemic because..... because....oh yeah the international grift all scientists are a part of. :thumbs

 
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If a recent veiled reference is toward me, then that person is spreading disinformation and is wrong per usual.   That disinformation person can’t seem to understand the “mask mandates” not working concept.  
 

Unfortunate and sad.  

 
Yeah, to understand complicated matters you really need someone knowledgeable to dig in and navigate the context and source material. It's not easy, so most people just grab the shortest, most hysterical headline and declare the debate over, often without even reading the text. Back in the day we had a poster named Archy who did that sort of thing. 

There's also this narrative that scientists are somehow on the take, or that they channel their findings to the conclusions that suit the ideology of the funders. A kernal of truth to that, of course, but it's also a world of peer review, where fellow scientist take both pleasure and professional pride in rooting out false methodology and conclusions. They do this regardless of whether the media pays attention. 

On the other hand we've learned that anyone willing to throw on a lab coat, stand in front of a camera, and champion the unfounded conservative talking points will gain fame and approval far beyond their actual credentials.  

 
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Scarlet said:
As does this long thread which shows the limitations of the study that was hailed as the "gold standard".  

Of course this won't be read either.  
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Welp….the tweeters very first question “Do masks work” and the headline he is tweeting about “the mask mandates did nothing” are two separate issues.  So there’s that :thumbs

There is also the question of what constitutes a mask, when asking do masks work.  N95, KN95, surgical mask, gator covering, taped mask or non tapes mask.   It’s weird though how so many here go straight to “hey man masks work” when the issue talked about was mask mandates.  The strawman arguments are strange but expected I guess 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Yeah, to understand complicated matters you really need someone knowledgeable to dig in and navigate the context and source material.
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Funny you should mention this, you probably mean like the Cochran Group?  Considered the gold standard in post hoc analysis of sources studies?  I would agree.  
 

Guy Chamberlin said:
There's also this narrative that scientists are somehow on the take, or that they channel their findings to the conclusions that suit the ideology of the funders. A kernal of truth to that
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Yes we know.  
 

But a more important point is scientists that have their minds made up absent proof of their conclusions and unwilling to give alternate points of view the intellectual curiosity they deserve for fear of being proven wrong or that it doesn’t meet their political prospective.   Even though politics should be outside of science.  

 
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