The Shutdown

How long will it last?

  • 30 days

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • 90 days

    Votes: 8 61.5%

  • 180 days

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • longer

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • Total voters
    13






Yup. 

Really what McConnell might want is a way to avoid a shutdown so no one will remember the GOP could just override Trump’s veto to stop it. They don’t want to do that because they might lose votes from the loony toons in their base.

But if that’s how we get a law to stop the idiocy of shutdowns, good. What they could do is if they can’t pass a budget, use the one from the previous year until they can agree. I’m guessing there are dangers in that though, especially if congress is close to 50/50 for a long time.

 
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Moiraine said:
Yup. 

Really what McConnell might want is a way to avoid a shutdown so no one will remember the GOP could just override Trump’s veto to stop it. They don’t want to do that because they might lose votes from the loony toons in their base.

But if that’s how we get a law to stop the idiocy of shutdowns, good. What they could do is if they can’t pass a budget, use the one from the previous year until they can agree. I’m guessing there are dangers in that though, especially if congress is close to 50/50 for a long time.
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If there is a law passed so that the President can't hold the country hostage like this, then fine, figure it out.  But I'm not in favor of there being a law that prevents a shutdown all together.  Then there is no incentive for them ever to work together.

 
StPaulHusker said:
If there is a law passed so that the President can't hold the country hostage like this, then fine, figure it out.  But I'm not in favor of there being a law that prevents a shutdown all together.  Then there is no incentive for them ever to work together.
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I can imagine a scenario where a group like the Tea Party takes over, or maybe Libertarians, and they manage to keep the same old budget every year and are fine with it because it stays small. That’s one consequence I can think of.

The thing is the president didn’t really have the power to do that. Congress just refused to do what they were supposed to do. They are too scared of losing their seats. 

 
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StPaulHusker said:
If there is a law passed so that the President can't hold the country hostage like this, then fine, figure it out.  But I'm not in favor of there being a law that prevents a shutdown all together.  Then there is no incentive for them ever to work together.
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That's not true. You can have people vote the people out that are cau--

*remembers that people actually voted for Trump*

Okay, you're right. 

 
Moiraine said:
I can imagine a scenario where a group like the Tea Party takes over, or maybe Libertarians, and they manage to keep the same old budget every year and are fine with it because it stays small. That’s one consequence I can think of.

The thing is the president didn’t really have the power to do that. Congress just refused to do what they were supposed to do. They are too scared of losing their seats. 
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You're right that the president didn't have the power.  I guess what I was thinking is if a law were passed that mandated the Senate to vote on a veto override if the initial vote was, say 2/3 in favor to begin with.  This would take the power out of the hands of the Senate majority leader to block that vote.

 
StPaulHusker said:
You're right that the president didn't have the power.  I guess what I was thinking is if a law were passed that mandated the Senate to vote on a veto override if the initial vote was, say 2/3 in favor to begin with.  This would take the power out of the hands of the Senate majority leader to block that vote.
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Ya that might be a good idea. That one person can’t stop the vote like McConnell did. The thing is I have trouble trusting anything he would support. 

 
StPaulHusker said:
You're right that the president didn't have the power.  I guess what I was thinking is if a law were passed that mandated the Senate to vote on a veto override if the initial vote was, say 2/3 in favor to begin with.  This would take the power out of the hands of the Senate majority leader to block that vote.
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Or just pass a law that says if Congress has enough votes to override a veto, then the President can't veto that bill. Then we don't have to go through the stupidity of watching members of Congress backtrack because the President disagreed.

 
RedDenver said:
Or just pass a law that says if Congress has enough votes to override a veto, then the President can't veto that bill. Then we don't have to go through the stupidity of watching members of Congress backtrack because the President disagreed.
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Isn’t what happened in December is he told them he wouldn’t sign it and then the Senate didn’t push the issue? Kind of like a nevermind. But the House vote was 217-185 so it would have been vetoed anyway. 

 
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Moiraine said:
Isn’t what happened in December is he told them he wouldn’t sign it and then the Senate didn’t push the issue? Kind of like a nevermind. But the House vote was 217-185 so it would have been vetoed anyway. 
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There might have been some Republicans in the House that would have changed course once they saw the Senate vote 100-0.  Not holding my breath or anything.  But a chance.

 
Speaking to CNN on Tuesday morning, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) floated the stunningly irresponsible possibility of throwing a debt ceiling crisis into the mix as congressional Republicans continue their effort to secure $5.7 billion worth of steel slats for Donald Trump without giving up anything in exchange. 

“I think the president understands we need to raise the debt ceiling,” Graham said. “It comes due in March, so why not just expedite things” by throwing it into the mid-February deadline for funding the government. 

In other words: Trump would be able to threaten not just a government shutdown but a default on the national debt to get his way.
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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/29/18202557/lindsey-graham-debt-ceiling-wall

Isn't this some sort of 'domestic terrorism'?

 
Moiraine said:
Isn’t what happened in December is he told them he wouldn’t sign it and then the Senate didn’t push the issue? Kind of like a nevermind. But the House vote was 217-185 so it would have been vetoed anyway. 
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought the spending bill passed both the House and the Senate and then Trump vetoed it.

 
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