Week 2 AP Poll

NUance said:
Oddly, our two highest AP voters are from Alabama. Go figure. LINK1 LINK2
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It's the two-gap defense brotherhood, bro. You gotta look out for each other...

 
HuskerNationNick said:
Bye Bye Big XII said:
The AP generally overreacts to stuff. Whereas the coaches do not.
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Yeah but coaches also use their votes to help them out on their next game, or future games, whereas the AP does not.

I am just saying, I think we are where we should be, according to AP. Coaches Poll, we are ranked higher than we should be. What have we shown to be a top 25 team? Honestly? Beating the crap out of Southern Miss, who has now lost 14 straight games? Almost getting beat by WYO? Allowing almost 2100 yards in the last 4 games (including S. Miss). When Northwestern has more of a national coverage than we do, I think that is a sign. This University needs to put itself back on the map and prove to be a legitimate threat.
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Southern Miss is 0-2 this year. This year isn't last years team. They had 8 turnovers against Texas State. Even we would have lost that one (cue Iowa state 2009). If Southern Miss goes on to win 9 games this year are you still going to blow off like a sperm whale about their win less season last year just to validate an unprovable point? You don't need to be the best team in the world to be in the top 25. You don't have to be very good at all, if you were, you'd be in the TOP 10. You see its all about how good we are relative to others, and the teams floating us in the rankings now, simply aren't that good (neither are we). So honestly, what does it matter?

 
When the coaches were asked about their voting process, most said they don't have time to pay attention to games outside their conference, then there is the AP bias and the usual dislike or hatred towards teams you watched from ones childhood. Hype unfortunately has lot's to do with these rankings, that's why what I can only call as the SEC hysteria made for such ridiculous rankings this year.

Rankings are made on the field gents, they can only be made by the win/loss ratio in your conference. As far as nationally, maybe one day we will have all the conference winners in a playoff for a true champ.

 
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How many years will the coaches poll go on before the majority of people realize its complete stupidity? Being able to coach football and being able to logically and objectively analyze large data sets are two mutually exclusive skill sets. On top of that, does anyone really think these coaches, who are putting in 60-80 hour work weeks and are their busiest on fall Saturdays have time not only to watch games but to sit down for two hours and analyze all the data on Saturday night? Of course not. Which is why many of the coaches don't even do it, they just have their SID do it for them. Or they just take last week's poll, make a few adjustments based on the wins, losses, and 10 minutes of SportsCenter highlights they caught while getting in their only family chat time for the day, then throw in a few biases based on conferences, coaches they like or teams they've played recently, and then send it out.

None of this is to say the AP or Harris polls are great. I think all the popular polls are pretty terrible. Any poll submitted by someone who isn't watching 10+ games every Saturday then sitting down for 2+ hours to analyze all the results and how it affects schedule strength retroactively, and making a very focused effort to remove as much bias as possible, isn't worth its kilobytes. At least some of the media members have the possibility of meeting these criteria.

 
killer cacti said:
papersun87 said:
Go home, Doug Lesmerises of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. You are drunk.

1. Clemson

2. Miami FL

3. Michigan

4. LSU

5. Alabama

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10. Washington

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18. Illinois (!)

19. Bowling Green

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I kinda like it.
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Haha you would. But seriously I don't have a problem with a poll like this as long as the voter is really paying attention and you are willing to move teams around a lot from week to week depending on actual results. Having a team start high just because of the the previous year and being mostly locked into place despite what is unfolding week to week is just stupid. But as someone else said, it would be better to just have the first ranking in mid-October.

 
JTrain said:
How many years will the coaches poll go on before the majority of people realize its complete stupidity? Being able to coach football and being able to logically and objectively analyze large data sets are two mutually exclusive skill sets. On top of that, does anyone really think these coaches, who are putting in 60-80 hour work weeks and are their busiest on fall Saturdays have time not only to watch games but to sit down for two hours and analyze all the data on Saturday night? Of course not. Which is why many of the coaches don't even do it, they just have their SID do it for them. Or they just take last week's poll, make a few adjustments based on the wins, losses, and 10 minutes of SportsCenter highlights they caught while getting in their only family chat time for the day, then throw in a few biases based on conferences, coaches they like or teams they've played recently, and then send it out.

None of this is to say the AP or Harris polls are great. I think all the popular polls are pretty terrible. Any poll submitted by someone who isn't watching 10+ games every Saturday then sitting down for 2+ hours to analyze all the results and how it affects schedule strength retroactively, and making a very focused effort to remove as much bias as possible, isn't worth its kilobytes. At least some of the media members have the possibility of meeting these criteria.
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Coaches poll is bad for the reasons you listed. I agree

AP poll is bad because there is also obvious bias and even agendas at times.

Hence, 64 team playoffs is really the only way to go.

Or just 16.

Or who knows.

 
Polls have little to no validation until the middle of the season when most teams have actually played a team of some caliber. Most everything at this point is good ol' fun and speculation. Little of it is well validated.

And the Coaches Poll is worthless. A football coach spends 50-60 hours a week, or more, focusing on improving his team and preparing for the next opponent. Where does he have time to figure out where 25 teams are supposed to be ranked, or even know a good place to rank them?

 
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