What did we learn Indiana edition

Cornbred said:
I respectfully disagree. Have you watched Georgia at all this year? Alabama? Oregon? Etc. There are many teams with hard nosed decisive players and coaches. The misnomer that it is all mental and emotional is a cop out in my opinion. Since these kids were in pee wee football they have been coached to win and win only. There are no participation ribbons in football. If you're saying their emotional ineptness is a generational thing I might be inclined to agree. To blame the teams woes on their emotional psyche is an excuse for the team to not take responsibility. 

Anyway, I just think this coaching staff and team need to man up. Put on their big boy pants and do what's right. Rhule especially.
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What would you say is Georgia's offensive identity?  Alabama's?  Oregon's?

 
Jeremy said:
They all establish the LOS. Very good lines, effective running game to set up passes. Oregon ran the T with an extra tackle on the goal line.
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Eh, it's semantics at this point but those aren't identities.  They have a good OL so they are better on offense.  OK.  

By the way, Georgia is #93 in the country in rushing yards per game.  They run for three more yards per game than Nebraska does. 

Oregon is #70.  Alabama is #59.  So I'm not sure they're as good at running the ball as you're assuming they are. 

 
Mavric said:
What would you say is Georgia's offensive identity?  Alabama's?  Oregon's?
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A balanced west Coast offense but with a difference. They have certain plays that they know work because they run them to perfection. They have backs that can pick up hard yards when needed. And they all have at least one receiver that can get behind a defense. We have none of those things for starters.

 
The answer to some of this is we don't have a dual threat QB to keep the defense somewhat honest.  Dylan is a pocket passer who doesn't have line play to give him a chance.  That threat is huge when you don't have burners at receiver.  Seen this before with Zac Taylor, but he was able to run some.  Sam Keller.  Statue's.  Statues work in an NFL system with NFL players.  Again, looking at our roster and team on the field, how many NFL 1st or 2nd or 3rd round picks do we have? On either side of the ball?  Maybe 1 amongst this roster currently............maybe?   Seems like the same old story.  We just don't have the horses to compete week in and week out.

 
Cornbred said:
A balanced west Coast offense but with a difference. They have certain plays that they know work because they run them to perfection. They have backs that can pick up hard yards when needed. And they all have at least one receiver that can get behind a defense. We have none of those things for starters.
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Again, that's not really an identity.  A bunch of teams run West Coast Offense, with varying degrees of success.  

Which plays can they run to perfection?

Having good players is not the same thing as having an identity.

 
Mavric said:
Eh, it's semantics at this point but those aren't identities.  They have a good OL so they are better on offense.  OK.  

By the way, Georgia is #93 in the country in rushing yards per game.  They run for three more yards per game than Nebraska does. 

Oregon is #70.  Alabama is #59.  So I'm not sure they're as good at running the ball as you're assuming they are. 
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You're correct with stats.  Depends on what you are trying to prove.  I'm not a fan of Satt so I use total offense.  

 IMHO, scheme has given way to identity.  I'm not sure what teams have a definitive "scheme" save the academies. You see a lot of mixes of what works, thrown in with the available talent.  The whole "scheme with who you have, not who  you want" comes to mind. I just don't know what we have.  What is our "bread and butter" play.  Seems like we try a lot of different things.  What would our scheme be?  Our identity? I don't know. 

Total Offense

UGA is 36 

Oregon is 27

Bama is 19

NU is 91

Indiana is 1

 
lo country said:
You're correct with stats.  Depends on what you are trying to prove.  I'm not a fan of Satt so I use total offense.  

 IMHO, scheme has given way to identity.  I'm not sure what teams have a definitive "scheme" save the academies. You see a lot of mixes of what works, thrown in with the available talent.  The whole "scheme with who you have, not who  you want" comes to mind. I just don't know what we have.  What is our "bread and butter" play.  Seems like we try a lot of different things.  What would our scheme be?  Our identity? I don't know. 

Total Offense

UGA is 36 

Oregon is 27

Bama is 19

NU is 91

Indiana is 1
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I don't disagree.  I was specifically responding to his comment about "effective running game to set up passes."

 
Mavric said:
I don't disagree.  I was specifically responding to his comment about "effective running game to set up passes."
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No worries.  I used it to segue way  into our scheme or identity.  I really have no idea.  Last year, I'd say zone read/rpo with tru option.  But now, nada.

 
Nebhawk said:
The answer to some of this is we don't have a dual threat QB to keep the defense somewhat honest.  Dylan is a pocket passer who doesn't have line play to give him a chance.  That threat is huge when you don't have burners at receiver.  Seen this before with Zac Taylor, but he was able to run some.  Sam Keller.  Statue's.  Statues work in an NFL system with NFL players.  Again, looking at our roster and team on the field, how many NFL 1st or 2nd or 3rd round picks do we have? On either side of the ball?  Maybe 1 amongst this roster currently............maybe?   Seems like the same old story.  We just don't have the horses to compete week in and week out.
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I caution many fans and the narrative that is popping up more and more recently about wanting a dual threat qb.  We’ve spent the last 15 years, except with tanner lee, with dual threat QBs and I think MAYBE 1 of those seasons did said qb actually play every single game.

On the list of things that is broken with this team, qb play ranks near dead last for me. 

 
lo country said:
No running game means no passing game. We become one dimensional and too easy to defend. TBH, I really miss a true dual threat QB.
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Just some random discussion here. In the Illinois game, if you take out sacks as negative rushing yardage we had 397 yards of total offense. Raiola had 297 yards passing. There was nothing wrong with that, passing to move the chains was fine.

It was in the short yardage situation where we were really exposed in that game as not being able to run.

I was told that "Rhule wants to run zone read and dual threat QB's." It seems that went out the door when we signed Raiola, maybe because Dominic said "you aren't running him in zone reads" or whatever it is. I have absolutely no problem with that and actually have wanted to try something different and have the pass-first guy, and we have him.

But how the hell are we at this point where we averaged 3 yards per carry but Indiana averaged 6.5?

What this staff put together for an offensive plan seems to have really fallen apart in the last two games. What will the plan be in these last five, just throwing post route bombs to Neyor and seeing what happens?

 
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