The P&R Plague Thread (Covid-19)

DevoHusker said:
i get that your math is correct knapp...but did someone misplace a decimal point somewhere? how is UNMC getting to 96 MILLION cases in the US when there have only been 113 THOUSAND cases worldwide thus far...?
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96 million is less than 1/3 of the population and this thing is just getting started and will increase exponentially, and we aren’t shutting down an entire region like China. Even if we were, what region would it be at this point? It’s in more than half of U.S. states now.

 
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96 million is just about 30% of the US population...

South Korea, which was the largest outbreak hit after China, is on the downhill slide. They have reported a total of 7,300 cases and 50 deaths.They have a population of 52 million. There are 350 million folks in the US, or seven times SKorea....so this pandemic is going to exponentially hit us here but not elsewhere?

 
The Dude said:
The last few days I've just been dreading what this is going to look like when it explodes in Africa.

Now I know what @knapplc felt like when idiots like me wouldn't listen.
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I read an article on how Africa is pretty well prepared for this kind of thing because of their experience with Ebola.

 
There’s a focus on mortality rates of course but what % is hospitalized out of necessity and how is that going to look when/if hospitals are flooded? There are going to be other people dying because they aren’t getting timely care. 

 
I think a LOT of this is being conflated to fit agendas, and incite panic. Why the hell do people need 70 multipack rolls of toilet paper from Costco? lots of businesses making lots of money as people go batsh*t crazy buying stuff for the forced quarantine to come

 
DevoHusker said:
96 million is just about 30% of the US population...

South Korea, which was the largest outbreak hit after China, is on the downhill slide. They have reported a total of 7,300 cases and 50 deaths.They have a population of 52 million. There are 350 million folks in the US, or seven times SKorea....so this pandemic is going to exponentially hit us here but not elsewhere?
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South Korea has millions of testing kits, they have instituted social controls to limit exposure, they even developed drive-thru testing to minimize the impact of infection on medical personnel.

We have done nothing.

 
Landlord said:
Trump clearly does, and there's an interesting question as to why.
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It's pretty obvious why he's referring to it as a Chinese virus... multiple reasons...

1. That's literally where it came from 

2. He knows the media are going to make a big deal over it and further exemplify why the media in this country is a propagandized joke

RedDenver said:
You do, or you wouldn't have posted about it.
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Frankly, I'm tired of people whining about it. Covid-19 originated in China. There's nothing wrong with calling it a Chinese virus...

 
DevoHusker said:
96 million is just about 30% of the US population...

South Korea, which was the largest outbreak hit after China, is on the downhill slide. They have reported a total of 7,300 cases and 50 deaths.They have a population of 52 million. There are 350 million folks in the US, or seven times SKorea....so this pandemic is going to exponentially hit us here but not elsewhere?
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South Korea has drive through testing and real time updates telling their citizens where the latest positive tested person had recently spent time. They also have universal health care so there likely aren’t many people there who are reluctant to check themselves in when they have symptoms. Maybe the outbreak here won’t be as bad as 1/3 of the population but there are many reasons to think it will be worse here than there. I can tell you I would be afraid to go to the hospital if I developed symptoms right now. I don’t have a lot of faith that I wouldn’t be out thousands of dollars. 

There will be a lot of people who won’t go until their condition is bad and by that time they’ve infected others. 

 
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ActualCornHusker said:
Frankly, I'm tired of people whining about it. Covid-19 originated in China. There's nothing wrong with calling it a Chinese virus...
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The World Health Organization disagrees:

WHO CRITICIZES STIGMATIZING LANGUAGE

At yesterday’s WHO COVID-19 press conference, a senior WHO official denounced the use of stigmatizing language and terminology with respect to COVID-19 and other diseases. Mike Ryan, Executive Director of the WHO’s Health Emergencies Programme, noted the importance of adhering to the accepted and appropriate terminology for infectious diseases in order to reduce the stigma and negative connotations for individuals and populations associated with slang terms. The comments follow recent pushback against the repeated use of unofficial and stigmatizing terms , including by US President Donald Trump. The official and accepted terms are SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2) when referring to the virus or infection and COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) when referring to the disease or symptoms. These terms were selected based on existing WHO guidance , which aims to reduce stigma associated with a particular place, group of people, animal, or others that was common under historical virus and disease naming practices that often referred to how or where they were first discovered.
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BlitzFirst said:
Most of the enlisted still have their state as their residency and are allowed to vote in those primaries...thus I'd say that they count toward their state total if they are counted at all.
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They won't be counted. The article @DevoHusker posted has the statement from the Pentagon. Military bases won't be reporting any COVID data. Maybe after it's all over they will

 
knapplc said:
480,000 deaths from this is staggering. Let's hope that's a worst-case-scenario. If not, we're all going to lose loved ones or acquaintances.

Some US comparisons:

The 1918 Spanish Flu - 70,000 deaths

World War II - 407,000

World War I - 116,000
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My stats all have the U.S. suffering close to 500,000 deaths from the 1918 Spanish Flu (out of a much smaller population), with a worldwide death toll as high as 50 million. 

World War I really brought a lot of people together. Then sent them home.

 
ActualCornHusker said:
It's pretty obvious why he's referring to it as a Chinese virus... multiple reasons...

1. That's literally where it came from 

2. He knows the media are going to make a big deal over it and further exemplify why the media in this country is a propagandized joke

Frankly, I'm tired of people whining about it. Covid-19 originated in China. There's nothing wrong with calling it a Chinese virus...
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Why not call it the Wuhan virus like it was originally called by everyone? Really the virus is SARS 2 but no one wants to call it that, the disease is COVID-19

There's very obviously something intentional that he's doing there. He's looks like an ignorant dumbass to be honest.

 
DevoHusker said:
96 million is just about 30% of the US population...

South Korea, which was the largest outbreak hit after China, is on the downhill slide. They have reported a total of 7,300 cases and 50 deaths.They have a population of 52 million. There are 350 million folks in the US, or seven times SKorea....so this pandemic is going to exponentially hit us here but not elsewhere?
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The 96 million number seems odd to me. That’s double to triple the amount of Flu cases the US has annually. 62 million common cold cases per year. Why is this going to be more common than the flu or the cold? 

 
FrantzHardySwag said:
The 96 million number seems odd to me. That’s double to triple the amount of Flu cases the US has annually. 62 million common cold cases per year. Why is this going to be more common than the flu or the cold? 
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We have developed immunity and vaccines for the flu. We don’t have immunity to coronavirus. 

 
Moiraine said:
I read an article on how Africa is pretty well prepared for this kind of thing because of their experience with Ebola.
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That makes some sense.  They're probably less liable to brush off a major outbreak as "no big deal".  

Every article I've read the last few days has been about the concern of health experts with their already strained healthcare system.

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
My stats all have the U.S. suffering close to 500,000 deaths from the 1918 Spanish Flu (out of a much smaller population), with a worldwide death toll as high as 50 million. 

World War I really brought a lot of people together. Then sent them home.
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Yeah, that's weird. I'm not sure where I pulled that number. The CDC says 675,000 deaths.

The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.
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Suddenly the site won't let me embed a link.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html

 
ActualCornHusker said:
Frankly, I'm tired of people whining about it. Covid-19 originated in China. There's nothing wrong with calling it a Chinese virus...
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To clarify, he called it THE Chinese Virus.  If you don’t get the derogatory intent, then there’s no point in continuing this discussion with you. If you do get it, but are okay with it then I’ll just have to smdh.  

 
ActualCornHusker said:
You guys realize many of the same media people calling Trump and others bigoted and racist for calling it a Chinese virus, or the wuhan virus, referred to it as that before Trump ever said it?...

This is another fake outrage from a bunch of fake reporters that are acting like petulant children, and Trump knows they make themselves look stupid when they flail around in their reaction to him saying it. 

Glad to see y'all took the bait... smdh
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I didn’t take any bait. I didn’t even know there were “fake” reporters flailing over this. I just asked you a simple question that you have not answered...

Why does it make sense for the President to change it from Corona to Chinese and why do you feel that is not any sort of a problem?
 

And I don’t care what others may have called it in the past. I’m specifically asking you a question pertaining to what the President did. So please don’t deflect to what “others” may have said or to what some in the media may be doing.

 
Moiraine said:
South Korea has drive through testing and real time updates telling their citizens where the latest positive tested person had recently spent time. They also have universal health care so there likely aren’t many people there who are reluctant to check themselves in when they have symptoms. Maybe the outbreak here won’t be as bad as 1/3 of the population but there are many reasons to think it will be worse here than there. I can tell you I would be afraid to go to the hospital if I developed symptoms right now. I don’t have a lot of faith that I wouldn’t be out thousands of dollars. 
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All of this. Lack of universal health care, lack of job security, lack of faith that people will keep their jobs if they stay home, fear of failure to pay bills - all of this contributes to a population who won't stay home when sick. That infects more people, and the cycle continues.

 
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