The P&R Plague Thread (Covid-19)

Jason Sitoke said:
I think a lot of what drove the surge in the summer and winter were the gatherings. I believe that a lot of people were responsible and wore their masks when going to the grocery store, traveling on an airplane, working in an office, etc. And during holidays (4th of July, Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas)...friends and family got together...everyone bending the rules in their own way, and the risk stacked up and resulted in some pretty severe outbreaks. Combine that with the fact that most people retreated indoors when it got cold.  Masks or no masks, when people are inside an office building or stuck on an airplane for 4 hours with limited ventilation, you are likely inhaling what others are exhaling at some point. 
 

That’s not an argument to abandon the mask mandates, but rather maybe that masks were too heavily relied on to prevent community spread. 
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May I ask what studies are available to support any of this?

 
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Moiraine said:
There are only like 2 quotes from him in there. The main one that sticks out is contending people with the vaccine don't get it. In the trials people did get it, they just did not have severe symptoms, hospitalization, or death. Therefore they can pass it on.
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Agreed, if you are experiencing symptoms.  I would argue that if you’re feeling sick, mask or no mask, you shouldn’t be around others. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2021/04/01/its-official-vaccinated-people-dont-transmit-covid-19/amp/

 
Brazilian variant wreaking havoc in BC now.  Younger people getting much more sick than before.  Reinfections are very possible with this variant..  Which makes Rand Paul's comments about immunity after Covid even more short-sighted or dare I say, wrong.

 
So a century or two of epidemiology supports mask wearing to curb the spread of contagion. And Rand Paul speaks out against that, and we're supposed to address that soberly because of what now?

None of this makes any sense. Have surgeons been wearing masks in vain for more than 100 years?  Has Rand Paul discovered the truth about aerosolized infection?

 
knapplc said:
So a century or two of epidemiology supports mask wearing to curb the spread of contagion. And Rand Paul speaks out against that, and we're supposed to address that soberly because of what now?

None of this makes any sense. Have surgeons been wearing masks in vain for more than 100 years?  Has Rand Paul discovered the truth about aerosolized infection?
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Once again, I don’t believe the argument is whether masks work. It’s whether the government was effective in persuading people to follow the rules. I have a real problem with the mask mandate in Colorado...not because masks don’t work, but because police departments openly admitted they weren’t going to enforce it. 
 

If a pandemic shows up next year, I honestly think everything should be on the table to fight it. Flattening the curve seems to have been a bit ambiguous. Total suppression might require draconian measures, but at least its plain and simple.  Not advocating for that, but it’s a way to go. 

 
Jason Sitoke said:
Once again, I don’t believe the argument is whether masks work. It’s whether the government was effective in persuading people to follow the rules. I have a real problem with the mask mandate in Colorado...not because masks don’t work, but because police departments openly admitted they weren’t going to enforce it. 
 

If a pandemic shows up next year, I honestly think everything should be on the table to fight it. Flattening the curve seems to have been a bit ambiguous. Total suppression might require draconian measures, but at least its plain and simple.  Not advocating for that, but it’s a way to go. 
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What does Rand Paul have to do with any of this?  

 
knapplc said:
What does Rand Paul have to do with any of this?  
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I guess I’ll spare you the trouble of going back a page...

Paul tweeted:

’Doesn’t anyone care to know if mask mandates help? The data on mask mandates actually shows an INCREASED rate of COVID cases after the mandates.’

He’s questioning whether mask mandates were effective.

 
Jason Sitoke said:
I guess I’ll spare you the trouble of going back a page...

Paul tweeted:

’Doesn’t anyone care to know if mask mandates help? The data on mask mandates actually shows an INCREASED rate of COVID cases after the mandates.’

He’s questioning whether mask mandates were effective.
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What good does that question do other than instill a mindset that masks themselves don't work? Because Paul is not advocating that anyone wears a mask, right? Did I miss his PSA on the more than 100 years of science supporting t's curb of contagion via masks?

How did Rand Paul help curb the spread of a virus that has killed more than half a million Americans through his area of expertise?

 
knapplc said:
What good does that question do other than instill a mindset that masks themselves don't work? Because Paul is not advocating that anyone wears a mask, right? Did I miss his PSA on the more than 100 years of science supporting t's curb of contagion via masks?

How did Rand Paul help curb the spread of a virus that has killed more than half a million Americans through his area of expertise?
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So because of the source, you dismiss the question out of hand?  

I see a distinction in the question between mask effectiveness and mandate effectiveness. If you don’t, then we’re probably not gonna get anywhere here in this discussion. 
 

I happen to believe that we should be able to ask these questions without being mortified about how the public message gets shaped. Is Fauci being roasted for encouraging vaccine hesitancy because he still won’t travel, saying he’s ‘still in a high risk age group’?

 
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