Eichorst statement on Bo

The premise behind the post was that while the fan base might have felt the program was a dumpster fire, I really don't think Bo saw it that way. And I don't think from a football standpoint it was.
that seems reasonable. hard to argue given the early success of bo. and you make a good point by comparing other programs that have faced more and less serious problems. a lot of coaches take over bad programs (except brian kelly, he had a real winner on his hands). i just wonder when the issues facing this team will be solely bo's.

 
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The premise behind the post was that while the fan base might have felt the program was a dumpster fire, I really don't think Bo saw it that way. And I don't think from a football standpoint it was.
that seems reasonable. hard to argue given the early success of bo. and you make a good point by comparing other programs that have faced more and less serious problems. a lot of coaches take over bad programs (except brian kelly, he had a real winner on his hand). i just wonder when the issues facing this team will be solely bo's.
I think plenty of even the Bo supporters are acknowledging a lot of last seasons problems were due to his lack of recruiting in 08', 09'. What worries me is that a couple years ago we were blaming it on 08'. Now we're blaming it on 08' and 09'. McKewon just pretty well wrote off the 10' class as well. So you look at the 11' class - which was our transfer class...and wonder if this is a continuation or if he has it fixed. Does the 12' and 13' classes look better because they are? Are they really good? Or are they playing just because the previous 3-4 classes are crap and it's not that difficult to crack the 2 deep when a coach doesn't emphasize recruiting for a number of years. Only time will tell if these classes actually are talented. Look to be. Sure hope so.

 
I think plenty of even the Bo supporters are acknowledging a lot of last seasons problems were due to his lack of recruiting in 08', 09'. What worries me is that a couple years ago we were blaming it on 08'. Now we're blaming it on 08' and 09'. McKewon just pretty well wrote off the 10' class as well. So you look at the 11' class - which was our transfer class...and wonder if this is a continuation or if he has it fixed. Does the 12' and 13' classes look better because they are? Are they really good? Or are they playing just because the previous 3-4 classes are crap and it's not that difficult to crack the 2 deep when a coach doesn't emphasize recruiting for a number of years. Only time will tell if these classes actually are talented. Look to be. Sure hope so.
that is the problem with recruiting errors. it takes 2-3 years to notice and 2-3 years to fix. next year will be telling. or it will be another year like the last 6. who knows!

 
I think plenty of even the Bo supporters are acknowledging a lot of last seasons problems were due to his lack of recruiting in 08', 09'. What worries me is that a couple years ago we were blaming it on 08'. Now we're blaming it on 08' and 09'. McKewon just pretty well wrote off the 10' class as well. So you look at the 11' class - which was our transfer class...and wonder if this is a continuation or if he has it fixed. Does the 12' and 13' classes look better because they are? Are they really good? Or are they playing just because the previous 3-4 classes are crap and it's not that difficult to crack the 2 deep when a coach doesn't emphasize recruiting for a number of years. Only time will tell if these classes actually are talented. Look to be. Sure hope so.
that is the problem with recruiting errors. it takes 2-3 years to notice and 2-3 years to fix. next year will be telling. or it will be another year like the last 6. who knows!
You gotta think it's gonna be better. We had freshamn and redshirt freshman making a better impact, playing better for the most part than seasoned veterans of '12 and '11. Im struggling to see how it wont. Leaving the real glaring issue of some of the problems we have with fundamental basics, like turnovers.

 
the "Callahan disbanded the walk-on program", or the "program was in shambles", etc.

I think Nebraska fans view the program's state in 2007 as much more dire than Bo Pelini and other coaches saw it. From a pure football standpoint, we weren't winning and he lost the team. That's not something insurmountable to an even mediocre coach. In fact, him losing the team might have sped things up for Bo because he wasn't fighting for 2-3 years the "cally guys" - that wanted their old coach back. Didn't have a mass exodus of transfers.

What fans saw however was a cultural shift in the program. A political mess. From the access, to the way he conducted things - it was different. And it wasn't all good for sure. But did taking down the photos of former players really negatively impact the team Bo coached in 08' and 09'? Because "alienating former players" is always included in every argument for why the program was in shambles and why Bo had it so tough - but if we're really honest about it, taking down some photos and not inviting Peters to a practice or two had zero impact on the 08' season.

That's why I think Callahan did more damage to the fan base, than he did to the actual football program - especially in regards to wins/losses. I'd say Bo's early success proves that.
Callahan didn't fire Cosgrove. Period. End of story.

 
the "Callahan disbanded the walk-on program", or the "program was in shambles", etc.

I think Nebraska fans view the program's state in 2007 as much more dire than Bo Pelini and other coaches saw it. From a pure football standpoint, we weren't winning and he lost the team. That's not something insurmountable to an even mediocre coach. In fact, him losing the team might have sped things up for Bo because he wasn't fighting for 2-3 years the "cally guys" - that wanted their old coach back. Didn't have a mass exodus of transfers.

What fans saw however was a cultural shift in the program. A political mess. From the access, to the way he conducted things - it was different. And it wasn't all good for sure. But did taking down the photos of former players really negatively impact the team Bo coached in 08' and 09'? Because "alienating former players" is always included in every argument for why the program was in shambles and why Bo had it so tough - but if we're really honest about it, taking down some photos and not inviting Peters to a practice or two had zero impact on the 08' season.

That's why I think Callahan did more damage to the fan base, than he did to the actual football program - especially in regards to wins/losses. I'd say Bo's early success proves that.
Callahan didn't fire Cosgrove. Period. End of story.
And why would he?

Seriously.

I see where KCChris is going with his "I wonder what wouldve happened if Callahan wouldve been allowed to fire Cosgrove" deal. I mean, he wasnt gonna fire him after '06. They were playing NC caliber defense at the end of '06. So yeah, I guess we never will know.

 
I think plenty of even the Bo supporters are acknowledging a lot of last seasons problems were due to his lack of recruiting in 08', 09'. What worries me is that a couple years ago we were blaming it on 08'. Now we're blaming it on 08' and 09'. McKewon just pretty well wrote off the 10' class as well. So you look at the 11' class - which was our transfer class...and wonder if this is a continuation or if he has it fixed. Does the 12' and 13' classes look better because they are? Are they really good? Or are they playing just because the previous 3-4 classes are crap and it's not that difficult to crack the 2 deep when a coach doesn't emphasize recruiting for a number of years. Only time will tell if these classes actually are talented. Look to be. Sure hope so.
that is the problem with recruiting errors. it takes 2-3 years to notice and 2-3 years to fix. next year will be telling. or it will be another year like the last 6. who knows!
You gotta think it's gonna be better. We had freshamn and redshirt freshman making a better impact, playing better for the most part than seasoned veterans of '12 and '11. Im struggling to see how it wont. Leaving the real glaring issue of some of the problems we have with fundamental basics, like turnovers.
Which defense will we see though? I heard rumblings last season, nobody here ever really talks about it, but during halftime of whichever game last year supposedly the players gave some input on the direction of the defense. It had something to do with scaling it back, simplifying, or removing a few things they were doing? Either way, if I recall correctly, we saw immediately an aggressive, attacking defense that was making huge strides in quick form almost from that point in it seemed. Does anyone else recall this? If so, does the defense keep that same approach this year? Or do we try to do too much again and have it bite us in the rear on the big stage?

 
it was halftime in the nw game.

but up until that point i had accountabilities attitude of "this defense has to be better than it was in 2012." and after wyoming and sdsu and the collapse against ucla i was pretty sure it was going to be a long season. then after minny, i was pretty afraid. good thing they figured it out though. we will see how they come out at the start of next year.

 
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the "Callahan disbanded the walk-on program", or the "program was in shambles", etc.

I think Nebraska fans view the program's state in 2007 as much more dire than Bo Pelini and other coaches saw it. From a pure football standpoint, we weren't winning and he lost the team. That's not something insurmountable to an even mediocre coach. In fact, him losing the team might have sped things up for Bo because he wasn't fighting for 2-3 years the "cally guys" - that wanted their old coach back. Didn't have a mass exodus of transfers.

What fans saw however was a cultural shift in the program. A political mess. From the access, to the way he conducted things - it was different. And it wasn't all good for sure. But did taking down the photos of former players really negatively impact the team Bo coached in 08' and 09'? Because "alienating former players" is always included in every argument for why the program was in shambles and why Bo had it so tough - but if we're really honest about it, taking down some photos and not inviting Peters to a practice or two had zero impact on the 08' season.

That's why I think Callahan did more damage to the fan base, than he did to the actual football program - especially in regards to wins/losses. I'd say Bo's early success proves that.
Callahan didn't fire Cosgrove. Period. End of story.
And why would he?
Seriously.

I see where KCChris is going with his "I wonder what wouldve happened if Callahan wouldve been allowed to fire Cosgrove" deal. I mean, he wasnt gonna fire him after '06. They were playing NC caliber defense at the end of '06. So yeah, I guess we never will know.
Why would he? I don't follow?

 
When you guys wake up tomorrow, I hope you remember that you just spent a large chunk of your afternoon comparing the nuances of Charlie Weis and Bill Callahan's records. Are you happy with yourselves?

 
Auburn hired an offensive guru who made SEC defenses look silly with his schemes. As far as I know we haven't changed our philosophies.
To Be fair, the SEC had a pretty big down year in terms of defense.
Not only that, but Auburn was also a few plays from being a 5 loss team. They honestly had everything play in their favor to be where they were at. I wouldn't call it luck, but I wouldn't also call it skill either.

 
it was halftime in the nw game.

but up until that point i had accountabilities attitude of "this defense has to be better than it was in 2012." and after wyoming and sdsu and the collapse against ucla i was pretty sure it was going to be a long season. then after minny, i was pretty afraid. good thing they figured it out though. we will see how they come out at the start of next year.
I hope they come out hungry. These players (no offense to past players) seem to have a "everyone's trying to steal what we want" attitude. Something we need too. Hopefully its just not talk, and they can show it on the field.

 
What the f#*k is this thread even about now?

Eichorst said he has had nothing to do with the improving public image of coach Bo Pelini, who has boosted his popularity since his blowups both during and after last season's loss to Iowa. "Bo's the same guy that I met when I arrived on campus," Eichorst said. "I see those sort of qualities from him on a day-to-day basis. What's out there in the community and the perception and all that other sort of stuff is certainly hard to control. He's a good ball coach, a good person. He's serious about his craft and very disciplined in his approach and we're lucky to have him at Nebraska."


http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bigten&id=100856
The only thing debatable in that statement is if you disagree on the lucky to have him or not part. It's fairly obvious who is on each side of the fence, so what the f#*k are we doing now other than just making idiotic arguments just for the sake of arguing?
 
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So a coach can plateau?

(and I'd argue Urban Meyer has him beat as far as resurrecting programs)
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