Mavric
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You think we were pretty fortunate to win a game where we had a 16 point lead with just over six minutes remaining?
Eichorst statement on Bo
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Abdullah the Butcher
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sd'sker
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w-w-l-w-w-w-l-w-w-l-w-l-wI think he meant going from 4 loses to 4 loses. See more frequent.
Mavric
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OK ... I guess. I thought you would comparing to other years. Pretty sure through the entire history of the program there have generally been more losses towards the end of the year than the beginning.w-w-l-w-w-w-l-w-w-l-w-l-wI think he meant going from 4 loses to 4 loses. See more frequent.
sd'sker
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yeah, loms said we trended upward last year and no one could say otherwise. the record indicates that it is hard to say. we should see how next year starts before we characterize the trajectory of last year. we may have gotten better, but the team still struggled to play complete, fundamentally sound football. that has been the problem for awhile now.
It'sNotAFakeID
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It's not or has never been a Bo issue that too much might have been expected of him.
NUpolo8
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Correct, because I don't think there's been a lower bar for a Nebraska coach in a half century.
Mavric
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I definitely don't think the bar is ever too high for what we *want* to have happen. But I also don't think a lot of people appreciate how the game has changed in the last 15 years. Some don't seem to notice the parity that came in - perhaps because we went from All-Time Great to Significantly-Below-Expectations so quickly and it's taken longer than we'd like to recover. Explanations for one side are excuses for the other.
Hypothetical that I've wondered about for awhile that I'll posit as a substitute for "bar too high" comment:
For those who claim we are stuck in a run and not showing improvement - would you have liked it "better" for Pelini to have less success in his first couple years? What if something similar to the following changes (which are far from stretches) happened early on?
2008 - Say RGIII goes off and we lose to Baylor and Clemson doesn't blow an 11-point 3rd quarter lead and we finish 7-6 with a bowl loss. A downturn in record from 2007 but more competitive and vastly improved defense.
2009 - Ranked and heavily favored Oklahoma doesn't lay an egg and be unable to overcome and anemic 180 yards of Husker offense to win in Lincoln and RGIII isn't hurt so Baylor doesn't turn it over three times. Huskers miss the CCG and finish 7-5 with a bowl win
2010 - Martinez doesn't throw for 5 TDs and the Huskers lose at ranked Okie St., again miss the CCG and finish 9-4
2011 (9-4), 2012 (10-4) and 2013 (9-4) play out as they did.
The early wins I've changed to losses are either to ranked teams or a Heisman-Trophy-winning QB so they don't look terrible, especially since we were competitive. Now there are steady increases in number of wins from 2008-2012 (7-7-9-9-10) and decreases in number of losses (6-5-4-4-4-). The first CCG comes in year 5 (still ugly loss but progress to get there) followed by a slight slip in 2013 that can be more-easily attributed to injuries including our All-Conference QB but with the positive of a reemerging defense and the first bowl win four years - over an SEC team on New Year's Day no less.
Does that change the perception of the direction of the program because we aren't "in the same place we were in year one" and didn't seem to slip after making the CCG in years 2 and 3?
NUpolo8
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Might even work less because you're eliminating arguably Bo's best achievements, and the few times no one can say that they didn't overachieve.
Putting the "achievements" from 2011-13 as the only things Bo would have to defend his performance would probably put us talking about the new coach coming in.
Hooked on Huskers
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Parallel ?
After Switzer ............... Gibbs(fired) - Schnellenberger(fired) - Blake(fired) - Stoops
After Osborne ............. Solich(fired) - Callahan(fired) - Pelini(fired?) - ?????
Fourth time's a charm ????
After Switzer ............... Gibbs(fired) - Schnellenberger(fired) - Blake(fired) - Stoops
After Osborne ............. Solich(fired) - Callahan(fired) - Pelini(fired?) - ?????
Fourth time's a charm ????
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Except Black had terrible teams. They had losing records when he was there, not 9-10 win seasons.
sd'sker
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that's not what happened. and if you take wins away from the early years, what about the later years? what if every game we were behind in the fourth in 2012 ended up being losses? what if we lose to nw, mich. and psu in 2013?
that hypothetical makes no sense and you are still arguing to lower the expectations of a coach who we may have seen the ceiling of. and frankly, what should be more concerning to any fan over wins and losses and maybe wins and maybe losses is that bo was brought in to fix the defense. however, the defense has been a liability since 2011. and people lament the expectations being to high for a new coach. so if he does not bring value as an experienced head coach, and he refuses to hire experienced coordinators, and he is supposed to be a defensive guru, and his defense has been a liability, what is he doing here?
we will see if the perceived improvement we saw in 2013 continue and materialize to greater accomplishments, but the fact that it got so bad in the first place is pretty concerning. and as it has been pointed out numerous times, he is our coach next year so i am excited to see what he does do with more experience and a forgiving schedule. but that does not mean i should not discuss current frustrations.
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Count 'Bility
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It's not really that insane. Tom Osborne himself has said this fanbase carries some insatiable expectations.