Elon Musk Neo Nazi ties

Nebfanatic

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Don't feel like the other thread deserved to be shut down considering we have to deal with this guy for the next 4 years plus but we can catch all of the nazi crap this guy spouts here.

We can start with his comments at the AfD political rally in Germany of which he is not a citizen and technically has zero ties to yet is here playing in their politics.

https://youtu.be/nyRFFP9yA0s?si=yYKo7GMG6DsICbmI

 
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Also feel like this is fair game.

Part of the problem is younger generations have no frame of reference for why fascists/Nazis suck.  Sounds silly to the rest of us, but Gen Z views everything through a TikTok-esque lens and so to them Trump and Elon are fine because they create entertaining content and it’s funny when they troll. I don’t think they fully comprehend the fire these guys are playing with because they’re several generations removed from actually fighting the Nazis and thus don’t understand why we should punch those pricks in the face.

 
FWIW, Nebfanatic and I talked via DM's and had a good conversation.

I closed the previous thread because it was trending in a poor direction. Commentary trending toward the personal, misrepresentation of arguments, sarcastic gifs, and grandstanding. We agreed starting this new thread would be better suited toward having a productive conversation about the overall topic.

Feel free to DM if you have issues/concerns about that, otherwise carry on.

 
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Also feel like this is fair game.

Part of the problem is younger generations have no frame of reference for why fascists/Nazis suck.  Sounds silly to the rest of us, but Gen Z views everything through a TikTok-esque lens and so to them Trump and Elon are fine because they create entertaining content and it’s funny when they troll. I don’t think they fully comprehend the fire these guys are playing with because they’re several generations removed from actually fighting the Nazis and thus don’t understand why we should punch those pricks in the face.
This is pretty accurate. 

Like those hammy sympathizers that we have today (mostly on college campuses) that are like "Oh my god, I can understand why those hammies do what they do" instead of realizing they all should be beaten with a rubber hose.

 
poor woman wasn't part of MAGA so she payed for throwing the salute

A local elected official in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, has resigned after coming under fire for a video shared on social media.

Laura Smith resigned from the Towamencin Township Board of Supervisors after a video in which she mimicked a gesture made by Elon Musk during a rally related to President Trump's inauguration. During a speech, Musk held his hand to his chest and then extended his arm saying "my heart goes out to you." Some said the gesture looked like a Nazi salute, while others said it was a harmless gesture taken out of context.

In the video, Smith taps her chest three times with her hand and then puts her arm straight out, saying, "My heart goes out to you."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pennsylvania-elected-official-resigns-gesture-053030281.html?fr=sycsrp_catchallhttps://www.yahoo.com/news/pennsylvania-elected-official-resigns-gesture-053030281.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

 
Wrist extension into a wave and no background of being a nazi supporter debunk this video that was shot with a digital camcorder I took to spring break back in 01'
Unfortunately that’s not the way it works now a days.  If it looks like a nazi salute, unfortunately the new rules are you get called a Nazi supporter!   Or maybe it’s a CCP supporter in Timmie’s case.  Either way, the rules are the rules no matter how stupid they are.  
 

Do you have background proof of Elon being a Nazi supporter?   Or do we just rely on the “dog whistle trust me bro” type of reliance?   We have much much much more “proof” of Democrat leadership being pro hammy than Elon being a Nazi yet the angry crowd isn’t up in arms about it 🤷‍♂️ 

 
Unfortunately that’s not the way it works now a days.  If it looks like a nazi salute, unfortunately the new rules are you get called a Nazi supporter!   Or maybe it’s a CCP supporter in Timmie’s case.  Either way, the rules are the rules no matter how stupid they are.  
 

Do you have background proof of Elon being a Nazi supporter?   Or do we just rely on the “dog whistle trust me bro” type of reliance?   We have much much much more “proof” of Democrat leadership being pro hammy than Elon being a Nazi yet the angry crowd isn’t up in arms about it 🤷‍♂️ 
It doesn't look like a Nazi solute.

 
Don't feel like the other thread deserved to be shut down considering we have to deal with this guy for the next 4 years plus but we can catch all of the nazi crap this guy spouts here.

We can start with his comments at the AfD political rally in Germany of which he is not a citizen and technically has zero ties to yet is here playing in their politics.

https://youtu.be/nyRFFP9yA0s?si=yYKo7GMG6DsICbmI
he is telling them not to feel any shame about the genocide.    what are they suppose to feel about that?  pride?  

 
Somewhat related.  China, Tariffs, Musk and Tesla

Trump isn't talking as strongly against China.  Why?  This website argues that it is due to Musk and his relationship with China - which creates a huge portion of his Tesla wealth.   

Article quoted in part below. 

https://www.muskwatch.com/p/how-do-you-explain-trumps-abrupt    

Musk, who serves as a top adviser to Trump and the head of the White House’s United States DOGE Service, has extensive business operations in China. Tesla, which accounts for the bulk of Musk’s estimated $440 billion net worth, operates its largest factory in Shanghai, which produces one million cars per year. More than half of all Teslas produced in the last four quarters were made in the Shanghai factory. Most of the Teslas made in Shanghai are sold in China, an increasingly important market as sales stall in Europe and key markets in the United States like California.

Musk has secured numerous special privileges from the Chinese government. As part of the deal to form Tesla Shanghai, the Chinese government allowed Musk to operate it as a wholly owned subsidiary of Tesla rather than a joint venture with a Chinese company — something no other car company is permitted to do. General Motors and Volkswagen were required to negotiate arrangements with local partners before building factories in the country.

Musk secured $521 million in loans from state-owned Chinese banks to fund the construction of the Tesla Shanghai factory. Tesla Shanghai also pays a discounted corporate tax rate of 15%, instead of the customary 25% rate.

The Tesla Shanghai factory, according to a commentary published by the Chinese Communist Party, is "an ideal way to convey Beijing’s position that there are no winners in trade wars and close economic ties benefit the U.S." According to the party, "[w]in-win cooperation is the right path, while closed-door exclusivity is a dead end.” The commentary implicitly underscores that Musk would be a prime target of Chinese retaliation in a trade war.

Musk is in the process of expanding his presence in China. Last year, Tesla broke ground on a $200 million battery plant in Shanghai. Musk met with Chinese Premier Li Qiang shortly before sealing the deal. Li praised Tesla as a “successful model” of foreign investment in China. Tesla is also waiting for "Beijing’s final approval of its latest driver-assistance technology, which Tesla calls Full Self-Driving."

In return, Musk has praised the Chinese government, saying they "really actually seem to care a lot about the well-being of the people.” In November, the Wall Street Journal reported that Chinese leaders were hoping Musk would help “ward off” the harsh policies proposed by Trump.


After consulting with Musk, Chinese-owned TikTok embraces pro-Trump propaganda




 



Last spring, Congress passed a law requiring TikTok, a Chinese company, to divest its U.S. operations by January 2025 or face a ban. The company still has not divested, and TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew has reportedly consulted with Musk about managing the situation.

The date of the ban coincided with Trump's inauguration. TikTok repeatedly flattered Trump, informing all of its users that the company was working closely with the then-president-elect to keep TikTok operating. TikTok briefly suspended its service — to comply with U.S. law, it said — but then restored service hours later, delivering a pop-up message to its 170 million American users: "As a result of President Trump’s efforts, TikTok is back in the U.S.!"

Shortly after taking office, Trump, who initially proposed banning TikTok in 2020, signed an executive order pausing the ban for 75 days and providing immunity to technology companies that help TikTok operate in the U.S.

Since then, Trump has downplayed any national security concerns related to TikTok. "Is it that important for China to be spying on young people watching crazy videos?” Trump said last week during his interview with Hannity. “Remember, they make telephones in China. They make all sorts of things in China. Nobody ever complains about that here.”

Trump said he would support Musk purchasing TikTok to resolve the issue. But, according to a Saturday report from NPR, Oracle has the inside track on being the lead U.S. investor.


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https://apnews.com/article/trump-xi-china-tiktok-tariffs-228c21dc088a22f5c816d3e827a97860

On the campaign trail last year, President Donald Trump talked tough about imposing tariffs as high as 60% on Chinese goods and threatened to renew the trade war with China that he launched during his first term.

But now that he’s back in the White House, Trump appears to be seeking a more nuanced relationship with the country that both Republicans and Democrats have come to see as the gravest foreign policy challenge to the U.S. China is also a major trading partner and an economic powerhouse, and it has one of the world’s largest military forces.

“We look forward to doing very well with China and getting along with China,” Trump said Thursday at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, in comments that suggested Beijing could help end the war in Ukraine and reduce nuclear arms.

As he moves forward with plans to impose 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico on Feb. 1, Trump has not set a firm date for China. He’s only repeated his plan for a much lower 10% tax on Chinese imports in retaliation for China’s production of chemicals used in fentanyl. On Tuesday, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said Trump was “very much still considering” raising tariffs on China on Feb. 1.

 
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Somewhat related.  China, Tariffs, Musk and Tesla

Trump isn't talking as strongly against China.  Why?  This website argues that it is due to Musk and his relationship with China - which creates a huge portion of his Tesla wealth.   

Article quoted in part below. 

https://www.muskwatch.com/p/how-do-you-explain-trumps-abrupt    

More

https://apnews.com/article/trump-xi-china-tiktok-tariffs-228c21dc088a22f5c816d3e827a97860
So, then looking at this:


I'm interested in knowing what percentage of Elon's parts and cars are made in China compared to Mexico and Canada.....and the same statistic for his competitors.

 
So, then looking at this:


I'm interested in knowing what percentage of Elon's parts and cars are made in China compared to Mexico and Canada.....and the same statistic for his competitors.
Last I checked a few years back, Tesla makes the vast majority of their parts in the US for cars they were selling in the US. They actually had the highest percentage among US automobile manufacturers. So I'm skeptical of the conclusion that's what's behind Trump's toned down Chinese rhetoric.

 
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