Gun Control

[carlfense]

Is the functionality of any of those 4 guns different from the others, in terms of firing rate?

Yes. It certainly is.

How so? We're talking mini-14 here, not the LEO/MIL AC 556.

I'll give you the first Mini-14 on that list. Fully loaded.

I'll take the second Mini-14 on that list. Fully loaded.

Let's see who can fire off 20 rounds first. That'd be your requested difference in firing rate.

At this point, you're referring to volume of fire, not rate of fire but I'm sure you already know this.

Not really. Firing rate is generally reported as rounds per minute. Unless you're a heck of a lot faster at switching mags than I am I'm guessing that my effective firing rate is going to be quite a bit higher.

 

[Saunders]

I'll give you the first Mini-14 on that list. Fully loaded.

I'll take the second Mini-14 on that list. Fully loaded.

Let's see who can fire off 20 rounds first. That'd be your requested difference in firing rate.

At this point, you're referring to volume of fire, not rate of fire but I'm sure you already know this.

Not really. Firing rate is generally reported as rounds per minute. Unless you're a heck of a lot faster at switching mags than I am I'm guessing that my effective firing rate is going to be quite a bit higher.

You guys are arguing semantics. The on paper RPM/ROF of those rifles is identical, because it's based on a hypothetical number. The real world numbers are obviously different.

 

[MidnightRider]

Dummy here ....

What's the difference between M-16 and AR-15

? Myself, no difference.

One is a real "assault rifle" and can shoot fully automatic. The other cannot.

Actually, my understanding is that most M-16s in service are no longer fully automatic.

That is correct but they are still select fire, just like some M-4s so his intent is on point. That full auto thing didn't work out very well in Vietnam and sucks for accuracy anyway.

 

[carlfense]

You guys are arguing semantics. The on paper RPM/ROF of those rifles is identical, because it's based on a hypothetical number. The real world numbers are obviously different.

So the guy who has been complaining about the spread of misinformation (while apparently not knowing too much about the Mini-14 himself) is basing his beliefs at least partially on a hypothetical number that is obviously different from the real world?

That's rich.

 

[MidnightRider]

Come on Carl, I'm convinced you're being intentionally obtuse now. You know where I'm going with this but would rather argue semantics instead. Select fire is the difference between the pic of the 14s I posted and a true assault rifle. You're not going to squeeze that trigger as quickly as a full auto cycles.

 

[HUSKER FREAK]

Dummy here ....

What's the difference between M-16 and AR-15

? Myself, no difference.

One is a real "assault rifle" and can shoot fully automatic. The other cannot.

Actually, my understanding is that most M-16s in service are no longer fully automatic.

That is correct but they are still select fire, just like some M-4s so his intent is on point. That full auto thing didn't work out very well in Vietnam and sucks for accuracy anyway.

Very true Midnight. The burst is way better for accuracy and getting the amount of rounds into a target for a sure kill without a lot of waste.

 

[carlfense]

Dummy here ....

What's the difference between M-16 and AR-15

? Myself, no difference.

One is a real "assault rifle" and can shoot fully automatic. The other cannot.

Actually, my understanding is that most M-16s in service are no longer fully automatic.

That is correct but they are still select fire, just like some M-4s so his intent is on point. That full auto thing didn't work out very well in Vietnam and sucks for accuracy anyway.

Very true Midnight. The burst is way better for accuracy and getting the amount of rounds into a target for a sure kill without a lot of waste.

Know what is even better for accuracy?

 

[carlfense]

Select fire is the difference between the pic of the 14s I posted and a true assault rifle. You're not going to squeeze that trigger as quickly as a full auto cycles.

Did you see me call the Mini 14 an assault rifle anywhere in this thread? Or have you seen me call the Mini 14 an assault rifle anywhere else?

You seem awfully hung up on the term "assault rifle" for someone who is complaining about a focus on semantics. Similarly, you seem awfully misinformed (or at least uninformed) about the Mini 14 for someone who seemed gleeful about other people spreading misinformation.

Carry on.

 

[HUSKER FREAK]

Carlfense I would say Practice or a bolt action riffle, but I was talking about in combat, not out hunting animals. Although some days I feel that burst would be pretty nice when I am shaking to much when hunting (I'm kidding).

 

[MidnightRider]

Select fire is the difference between the pic of the 14s I posted and a true assault rifle. You're not going to squeeze that trigger as quickly as a full auto cycles.

Did you see me call the Mini 14 an assault rifle anywhere in this thread? Or have you seen me call the Mini 14 an assault rifle anywhere else?

You seem awfully hung up on the term "assault rifle" for someone who is complaining about a focus on semantics. Similarly, you seem awfully misinformed (or at least uninformed) about the Mini 14 for someone who seemed gleeful about other people spreading misinformation.

Carry on.

The mini 14 was never the point and I admit that I don't know a lot about this platform. The point was that all of the gun control idiots run around sreaming ban assault rifles when most have no clue as to what one truly is. None of the weapons depicted in that image are assault rifles but I've seen them, and many others, incorrectly (probably intentionally) labeled as such. They are semi-automatic rifles. Nothing more but I'm sure you already knew that as well. My posts were actually directed to Junior as he was the one proposing the ban on assault rifles, high cap mags etc. and you chimed in so that may be where you're getting some of your misguided impressions of my intent.

Again, you knew where I was going with this and you're intentionally muddying the waters. Misinformation indeed.

Have the best day ever.

Edit: So yeah, I'm ALL KINDS of hung up on the term. Its the lynchpin of any gun grabbers argument. And that is just plain dumb.

 

[Saunders]

Midnight, as a fellow gun guy.... just stop. You're coming across as condescending and trying to create an argument where there is none. Carlfense may be a buttface (i keed), but he's a gun guy too.

 

[MidnightRider]

Midnight, as a fellow gun guy.... just stop. You're coming across as condescending and trying to create an argument where there is none. Carlfense may be a buttface (i keed), but he's a gun guy too.

Stop what? My argument was never with Carl, it was with Junior but apparently Carl felt that it was directed towards him so I got a bit pissy. I have no issues with him, never have. I actually agree with a lot of what he says in other threads and comes across as an intelligent and competent dude.

Why you all up in my Kool Aid, homie?

 

[walksalone]

One of the finest rifles ever made...

 

[Saunders]

That's where I got mine. It's an august 1942 make recevier with '44 barrell and '45 trigger assembly, and GI original wood. Great, great rifle. If you're ever going to do it, don't wait to long, or you may not get one.

Yeah . . . I know. Just hard to justify since I wouldn't use it for anything but plinking. I've got enough of those as it is . . . including a Springfield. Maybe I should sell that and buy a Garand instead? Hmmmm.

A 1903? Hmm..... I'd keep both!

But seriously, if you could only have one, it has to be a Garand. It's got a special place in my heart knowing how many family members carried one during WW2.

Here's mine the day I pulled it out of the box.

 

[carlfense]

A 1903?

Yep. Condition is about identical to your Garand. The action is like butter . . . smoothest cycling bolt action I've ever had the pleasure of holding.

That said, the stock is at least 3" too short for me and it is easily the most unpleasant rifle that I've ever shot. Far worse than a .30-06 should be.