knapplc

Email reply from NUance after I shot him a quick email saying I noticed he hadn't been around much:

Hi Mav,


Yeah, this latest thing with Lance a couple weeks ago was the last straw. I'm referring to Lance calling me power hungry and suggesting that I step down as a Mod. This resulted from me posting, "Is that really necessary?" in response to a rather sarcastic post.

And this isn't the first time. I'm not sure if any other Mods have noticed, but Lance has been similarly critical of several of my Mod decisions over the past year. I don't appreciate the way he leads the charge with a small group of regulars to rake me over the coals for Mod decisions. That, and I really don't appreciate the way he constantly mocks my faith in God.

As of this point in time I'm not sure that I will be coming back to HB--either as a Mod or as a poster. I really love the place, but I am not going to put up with Lance's antics. And nobody seems willing to reign him in. Granted, he was a tremendous Mod at HB. Maybe the best. But as a former Mod, not so much. It seems to have been his intent to drive me away. Well, he finally "Nailed it."

Feel free to share the contents of this email with other Mods (but not the general membership). I doubt if anyone else even noticed Lance's behavior towards me over the past year.

Finally, I don't monitor this email account very often. If you need to contact me, feel free to use my work email: scr@patent-counsel.com.

Take care, and GBR!

Scott
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It hasn't gone unnoticed. I hope we do not lose NUance as an outcome.

Thanks for reaching out to him, Mav.

 
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From my discussions with knapp over his application, he should have left NUance a message in his inbox here, for what it's worth.

 
At least I'm not the only one that has seen his power hungry behavior over the past year. I hope like hell NUance comes back, if not I'm gonna be super pissed at knapp for this crap. The internet bully game needs to stop.

 
Never saw any of that(ie..not around enough) but I have quit arguing about P&R issues. Ain't worth the angst. Got enough from working with high acuity patients 24/7.

Hope Nuance hangs with it. Seemed like a squared away mod.

Knapp did a favor for me about 6 years ago; but I would not let those kinds of issues slide because of it.

 
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Hmmm...

I haven't been around for the past few months - the off-season and hopelessness of all things political in this country didn't really give me anything to talk about - but I think the most recent issue with Moiraine and knapp was the final straw (for a while, it seems). That's unfortunate, I haven't met NUance but I think he's a great guy judging from his personality here on HB.

In general, and this is me being as neutral to the subject as I can, I think we have to be extremely careful of any action we take because of the perceived intentions of those actions and we have to pick our battles. I'm sure moving the aforementioned post from Moiraine was done with good intention, but the optics of moving that fairly innocuous post are not good and just invite the perception of being targeted because of a personal bias a Mod has against someone on the board. Not to say that that perception won't persist - everyone who is banned or suspended will think that they were targeted - but there are times when that perception can be justified and times where it simply cannot stand up to scrutiny. I think it's in our best interests to err towards the latter rather than the former.

As far as the mocking that knapp may have done because of NUance's religiosity - that is not acceptable. HB is a place where people of differing opinions come to debate/discuss (sometimes heatedly) about topics in which genuine disagreement exists. To belittle someone's held beliefs, no matter how absurd you believe those beliefs to be, is tantamount to bullying, especially when someone conveys those beliefs as innocently as NUance has conveyed his beliefs. All of that goes back to knapp's vision of what the ideal board would look like, in which everyone has intelligent (subjectively defined) posts, and knapp tends to lash out harshly against those who don't have intelligent (subjectively defined) responses.

If a poster has a problem with the way a Mod is moderating, they need to take that up with us privately, not publicly; and we need to ensure that any disagreements are taken up with us privately. There's a balance to strike here, because posting publicly is a way for the user base to hold the moderating team accountable.

Just my rambling thoughts on a Saturday morning.

 
I agree. Moving a post like that, and scolding a member -- well, they had better really deserve it.

I think spirited discussion and protesting a Moderator action publicly is also okay...when it's merited. NUance is as genial a member and moderator as we have ever had here, and he's been gone after like he's an awful human being. That's blatantly unfair to him.

 
From my perspective, the below post seems relevant since it has a lot to do with my perception of NUance (and knapplc, in the same breath).

NUance said:
I would tell an atheist that he is wrong. But I wouldn't tell a Jew or a Hinduist that they are wrong.
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It'sNotAFakeID said NUance conveys his beliefs "innocently," but for someone in knapplc's shoes, this type of response can be perceived as demeaning and easily disagreeable. This does not, however, support some of knapplc's recent behavior.
That said, I like NUance. We've had some incredible conversations. I'm also a religious person and align myself with some of his beliefs, but I can also see why his personality and way of articulating some of his opinions could rub someone the wrong way. And the Moiraine thing did cause me to tilt my head to one side when it happened. It seemed out of place and unfair.

So, I don't know, that's a bit rambling in and of itself. I just think there's a lot of things that played off one another in a very poor way.

 
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Eh, knapp has no problem telling people they believe in a "fake god" so if he's going to take offense at something like that it's hypocritical at best.

 
Mavric said:
Eh, knapp has no problem telling people they believe in a "fake god" so if he's going to take offense at something like that it's hypocritical at best.
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I 100% agree; my point was more or less to say I think there's some fault all around in the situation. Despite being religious, I've found myself on the side of the fence thinking NUance goes too far, and I've also found some of knapplc's responses to the situation questionable and disappointing.
 
Enhance89 said:
From my perspective, the below post seems relevant since it has a lot to do with my perception of NUance (and knapplc, in the same breath).

NUance said:
I would tell an atheist that he is wrong. But I wouldn't tell a Jew or a Hinduist that they are wrong.
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It'sNotAFakeID said NUance conveys his beliefs "innocently," but for someone in knapplc's shoes, this type of response can be perceived as demeaning and easily disagreeable. This does not, however, support some of knapplc's recent behavior.
That said, I like NUance. We've had some incredible conversations. I'm also a religious person and align myself with some of his beliefs, but I can also see why his personality and way of articulating some of his opinions could rub someone the wrong way. And the Moiraine thing did cause me to tilt my head to one side when it happened. It seemed out of place and unfair.

So, I don't know, that's a bit rambling in and of itself. I just think there's a lot of things that played off one another in a very poor way.
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Exactly. Reinforces my point that we, as Mods, have to be careful with the way our actions are perceived because our actions, whether we like it or not, will invariably be tied to our words and our beliefs. It's much easier to defend our actions when the action was justifiable, less so when the justification for an action is gray at best.

 
Does knapplc have some sort of hidden feature tied to his account? I don't see a way to see 'Last Visited' from him and I never see his name show up in a 'who is viewing this thread.'

 
Enhance said:
Does knapplc have some sort of hidden feature tied to his account? I don't see a way to see 'Last Visited' from him and I never see his name show up in a 'who is viewing this thread.'
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There used to be a "log in anonymously" option.  Haven't looked to see if it's still there on this new version but I think that does it.

 
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